Lead Ban Comments period opening

[Bob259]

EPA Considering Ban on Traditional Ammunition and Bullets
From the Nat’l Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF)
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) under Lisa Jackson, who was responsible for banning bear hunting in New Jersey, is now considering a petition by the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) — a leading anti-hunting organization — to ban all traditional ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, a law in which Congress expressly exempted ammunition.
Environmental activists want to ban lead shot, lead-core bullets, and even fishing sinkers. If the EPA approves the petition, the result [could] be a total ban on all ammunition containing lead-core components, including hunting and target-shooting rounds (even rimfire ammo). The EPA must decide to accept or reject this petition by November 1, 2010, the day before the midterm elections.
Click Here for More Details on EPA Petition to Ban Lead Ammo and Components. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/71705

From 8/26/2010 through 10/31/2010, the EPA is inviting comments on the Ammo Ban Petition. The NSSF urges hunters and shooters to submit comments to the EPA opposing any ban on traditional ammunition. Remember, your right to choose the ammunition you hunt and shoot with is at stake.
The EPA has published the petition and relevant supplemental information as Docket ID: EPA-HQ-OPPT-2010-0681. To read the original petition and see the contents of this docket folder, CLICK HERE http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/ ... -2010-0681. To go directly to the ‘comment’ page for this docket number, please CLICK HERE http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/ ... 6480b3974b.

What You Can Do to Help
1. Submit a comment to the EPA opposing the Ban. CLICK HERE to COMMENT.http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/ ... 6480b3974b

2. Contact your congressman and senators and urge them to stop the EPA from banning ammunition.
3. Contact Lisa Jackson directly to voice your opposition to the ban:
Lisa P. Jackson
Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
1200 Pennsylvania Ave.,NW
Washington, DC 20460
(202) 564-4700
Fax: (202) 501-1450
Email: jackson.lisa@epa.gov

[kitsap]

Check out the most recent from the NRA site regarding this issue.......

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6010

DougF

[Bob259]

Check out the most recent from the NRA site regarding this issue.......

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6010

DougF

That's GREAT news!!!! I would imagine someones inbox was flooded yesterday after the other article came out. We have to keep viligent and active, or we will lose our rights.

[Innocent]

Having read the NRA's news on this, we need to band with the fishermen on this, if the EPA gets the athourity to ban lead fishing sinkers, the bullets are next. THey whould not have the right to control these type of things. I worked in Blue Cypress Lake for years, watching many bass fishermen catch lots of record bass...look up the history of this lake and you will find it was used as a bombing training range around WWII...how much lead was dropped in it then?

Mary

[kitsap]

Having read the NRA's news on this, we need to band with the fishermen on this, if the EPA gets the authority to ban lead fishing sinkers, the bullets are next. They would not have the right to control these type of things. I worked in Blue Cypress Lake for years, watching many bass fishermen catch lots of record bass...look up the history of this lake and you will find it was used as a bombing training range around WWII...how much lead was dropped in it then?

Mary

Mary,

I think you are right in banding with the fisherman on this issue. The TSCA (Toxic Substance Control Act) specifically excluded ammunition and components and said nothing about fishing gear.

However, very little if any lead was dropped in a lake used for a bombing range. Aerial bombs have cases that are exclusively made of steel and have been since the WWI era.

DougF

[lone ringer]

Having read the NRA's news on this, we need to band with the fishermen on this, if the EPA gets the athourity to ban lead fishing sinkers, the bullets are next. THey whould not have the right to control these type of things. I worked in Blue Cypress Lake for years, watching many bass fishermen catch lots of record bass...look up the history of this lake and you will find it was used as a bombing training range around WWII...how much lead was dropped in it then?

Mary

I have heard that a lot of the bullets shot at Camp Perry end up in the lake behind it. Is that true?

[thskeer]

Tony, that is quite true. The smallbore and pistol rounds land on the ranges and were (are?) mined (picked up) by a recycler. All the highpower rounds go into the lake. That they dont hit a berm actually helps in keeping the lead from leaching into the water table. 99.9% of the rounds are Match type with little to no lead exposed, so there is very little surface area to oxidize and break down.

Compare that to a range with a dirt berm where rounds pound on top of each other and then begin to break up into parts or worse become pulverized. In that case you have significantly more micron sized particles that can now migrate into the water table. You also have a much greater surface area of lead exposed to oxidize, with more areas exposed each string of fire. The good thing about berms is they concentrate the projectiles making it easier to contain the run-off and mine the berm for the component materials. As long as ranges are mining the berms regularly they can controll the lead pretty well.

As an aside, many trap and skeet ranges are mining the lead shot off the top of the soil now as well. they can both generate income AND show environmental mitigation= both are good things when you end up in court!

Tom

[BCloninger]

But is lead recovery economically practical? And if so, at what intervals?

[lone ringer]

Tony, that is quite true. The smallbore and pistol rounds land on the ranges and were (are?) mined (picked up) by a recycler. All the highpower rounds go into the lake. That they dont hit a berm actually helps in keeping the lead from leaching into the water table. 99.9% of the rounds are Match type with little to no lead exposed, so there is very little surface area to oxidize and break down.

Compare that to a range with a dirt berm where rounds pound on top of each other and then begin to break up into parts or worse become pulverized. In that case you have significantly more micron sized particles that can now migrate into the water table. You also have a much greater surface area of lead exposed to oxidize, with more areas exposed each string of fire. The good thing about berms is they concentrate the projectiles making it easier to contain the run-off and mine the berm for the component materials. As long as ranges are mining the berms regularly they can controll the lead pretty well.

As an aside, many trap and skeet ranges are mining the lead shot off the top of the soil now as well. they can both generate income AND show environmental mitigation= both are good things when you end up in court!

Tom

Thank you for replying Tom

[Jerry G]

I thought I saw yesterday where the EPA has dropped the effort to ban lead bullets.

[lone ringer]

I thought I saw yesterday where the EPA has dropped the effort to ban lead bullets.

Yes Jerry they did and also some other good news for gun owners

A VICTORY FOR ALL GUN OWNERS!

9/1/10

DEFEATED:
AB 1810(Feuer) - Registration of Rifles and Shotguns
AB 1934 (Saldana) - Handgun Open Carry Prohibition
AB 2358 (De Leon) - Ammunition Registration

All three of these bills posed a fundamental threat to the rights of gun owners. And there was no room for compromise any one of the bills. It was a fight down to midnight, but in the late hours of August 31, AB 1810, AB 1934, and AB 2358 were DEFEATED!

This is a huge win for gun owners. Thank you to all members who took time to contact members of legislature and voice their strong opposition to these bills. Your collective voice was heard loud and clear at the capitol. You stoked the fire against AB 1810, AB 1934, and AB 2358 and it paid off!

If enacted, Assembly Bill 1810 would have required registration of rifles and shotguns in the same way handguns are now registered in California. Under current law, the information collected at the time of purchase of a rifle or shotgun (serial number, make, and model) is destroyed after the background check is completed. AB 1810 would have required that the make, model, and serial number of the firearm, as well as the identifying information of the purchaser, be recorded and kept on file by the California Department of Justice.

If enacted, AB 1934 would have deleted provisions of current law that allows a firearm to be carried openly in a belt holster. AB 1934 did not provide a way for a law-abiding citizen to carry a firearm for self-protection or other legitimate purposes.

If signed into law, AB 2358 would have required that ammunition vendors transmit records of sale, information on the quantity and type of ammunition purchased, and the personal information of purchasers collected at the time of sale to local law enforcement if required by city or county ordinance. AB 2358 would have also allowed uncontrolled expansion of city and county ordinances requiring handgun ammunition vendors to transmit all information collected relating to sales of handgun ammunition and some rifle cartridges to local law enforcement agencies.

THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING OUT AND HELPING TO PRESERVE YOUR RIGHTS!

[Innocent]

Hang in there Tony...they will do it again.

Mary

[Jerry G]

I was on the board of a gun club with a bunch of scatter gunning beer drinkers. The word was back when lead was cheep that if you could see the pellets laying on the ground without stooping over it was time to harvest. The guys would come in with a small grader and put the top 3 inches of dirt into a winrow. They they would scoop that up and run it through a trommel to seperate the lead from the dirt. It was a hot, dirty job but they got a semi load (40,000 lbs) off the place about every 4 years. They only had about 12 traps. I'm not sure how they would do it under water but there must be a way. Maybe a suckion dredge and a sluce box. The stuff would never penetrate the mud on the bottom.

I also heard that some studys were done and if the lead is left alone it won't migrate verry far.

[Bob259]

UPDATE:

To: ALL MEDIA
For immediate release
November 23, 2010 For more information contact:
Bill Brassard Jr.
203-426-1320

NSSF to Intervene in Lawsuit Challenging EPA on Traditional Ammunition
NEWTOWN, Conn.—In response to a lawsuit filed today challenging the Environmental Protection Agency's denial of a petition to ban traditional ammunition containing lead core components, the National Shooting Sports Foundation will file a motion to intervene. This action allows NSSF to protect industry's interests in the case and ensure that the will of Congress is adhered to.
The suit was brought by the Center for Biological Diversity, which earlier this year had petitioned EPA to ban traditional ammunition as well as fishing tackle containing lead. CBD claims wild birds are being harmed through the ingestion of spent ammunition fragments, though NSSF contends that no scientific evidence shows that wildlife populations are being affected.
In August after considering the CBD's petition, EPA denied the request, saying it did not have the legal authority to regulate the production and distribution of traditional ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976. Congress expressly exempted ammunition from being regulated by this law. Some weeks after the agency's decision on traditional ammunition, EPA also denied the other half of CBD's request to ban fishing tackle. This one-two punch no doubt prompted CBD to file its lawsuit.
"We knew that this fight was far from over even after we gained that early victory," said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel. "The CBD petition and now this lawsuit are clearly attacks on the right of hunters to choose the ammunition that best suits their hunting and target shooting needs, and they are attacks on hunting as well."
Launching a strong grassroots campaign in response to the CBD petition, NSSF mobilized the sporting and gun-owning community to make its support for traditional ammunition clear to the EPA and its administrator, Lisa P. Jackson, via e-mailed comments and by contacting their lawmakers.
NSSF continues to stress the following in the debate over traditional ammunition:
• There is no scientific evidence that the use of traditional ammunition is having an adverse impact on wildlife populations.
• Wildlife management is the proper jurisdiction of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the 50 state wildlife agencies.
• A 2008 study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on blood lead levels of North Dakota hunters confirmed that consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition does not pose a human health risk.
• A ban on traditional ammunition would have a negative impact on wildlife conservation. The federal excise tax that manufacturers pay on the sale of the ammunition (11 percent) is a primary source of wildlife conservation funding. The bald eagle's recovery, considered to be a great conservation success story, was made possible and funded by hunters using traditional ammunition – the very ammunition organizations like the CBD are now demonizing.
• Recent statistics from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service show that from 1981 to 2006 the number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the United States increased 724 percent. And much like the bald eagle, raptor populations throughout the United States are soaring.
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