Differences in Silhouette targets.
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Varn
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Differences in Silhouette targets.
I have been asked on many occasions about the differences between my targets and the ones produced by Ray Schafer.
I'll outline the differences.
Both are lifetime warranty if Standard velocity ammo is used at the regulation distances.
Both are NRA approved.
Both are produced by shooters who are definitely not in this to generate huge profits.
My targets are made from Dutile Iron. I believe Ray's are as well. This material is much stronger than grey iron.
Ray's targets have ground bases. If they are cast correctly there is no need to grind the bases. The proper angle to ensure that they stand correctly is a function of the mold being made properly, not grinding after they are cast. If you look at the targets from the side they lean backward just slightly. This is to center the body mass over the center of the base. I have had my bases ground incorrectly in the past. It makes them fall forward with the slightest bit of wind. You almost can't grind enough off of the rear of the base to affect them. This just increases the rearward lean slightly. But if someone grinds the front edge of the base even slightly then they become unstable. This is why I feel it is unnecessary to grind them if they are cast correctly. You gain nothing and increase the potential for them to be unstable. I'm not trying to imply that Ray's are cast incorrectly. I just feel grinding the bases is not necessary.
Ray's are the choice of the Nra Whittington Center, mine are the
choice of the Southern Nationals and Ridgway, PA where Silhouette nationals are held. All large venues.
Both are thicker in the leg area than the old EMI targets. Mine extends up
the leg onto the back further. My rams are also thicker, especially
in the nose and leg areas. Ray uses a reinforcing rib on the nose of his
rams. Both methods work well.
Ray's come primed. Mine are as received from the foundry. Primer is
not needed to make the paint stick to them and is $1.50 or less a
can at Wal-Mart if someone feels the need for them to be primed. What happens to them when you shoot them? The paint comes off where they were shot. The primer comes off as well. Then they need repainted.
Ray's are $98 plus shipping for 5 of each animal. A minimum of $110.
Mine are $90 including shipping for 5 of each animal to anywhere in the US. The main differences then are method of construction, finish as received and price. You can't make a bad choice with either one.
Thank you for your interest.
Mark Varner [email protected]
I'll outline the differences.
Both are lifetime warranty if Standard velocity ammo is used at the regulation distances.
Both are NRA approved.
Both are produced by shooters who are definitely not in this to generate huge profits.
My targets are made from Dutile Iron. I believe Ray's are as well. This material is much stronger than grey iron.
Ray's targets have ground bases. If they are cast correctly there is no need to grind the bases. The proper angle to ensure that they stand correctly is a function of the mold being made properly, not grinding after they are cast. If you look at the targets from the side they lean backward just slightly. This is to center the body mass over the center of the base. I have had my bases ground incorrectly in the past. It makes them fall forward with the slightest bit of wind. You almost can't grind enough off of the rear of the base to affect them. This just increases the rearward lean slightly. But if someone grinds the front edge of the base even slightly then they become unstable. This is why I feel it is unnecessary to grind them if they are cast correctly. You gain nothing and increase the potential for them to be unstable. I'm not trying to imply that Ray's are cast incorrectly. I just feel grinding the bases is not necessary.
Ray's are the choice of the Nra Whittington Center, mine are the
choice of the Southern Nationals and Ridgway, PA where Silhouette nationals are held. All large venues.
Both are thicker in the leg area than the old EMI targets. Mine extends up
the leg onto the back further. My rams are also thicker, especially
in the nose and leg areas. Ray uses a reinforcing rib on the nose of his
rams. Both methods work well.
Ray's come primed. Mine are as received from the foundry. Primer is
not needed to make the paint stick to them and is $1.50 or less a
can at Wal-Mart if someone feels the need for them to be primed. What happens to them when you shoot them? The paint comes off where they were shot. The primer comes off as well. Then they need repainted.
Ray's are $98 plus shipping for 5 of each animal. A minimum of $110.
Mine are $90 including shipping for 5 of each animal to anywhere in the US. The main differences then are method of construction, finish as received and price. You can't make a bad choice with either one.
Thank you for your interest.
Mark Varner [email protected]
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atomicbrh
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This post reinforces what I have always believed: that a experienced Smallbore Rifle Silhouette competitor who has spent many hours honing his Marksmanship skills is a purist who prefers a particular kind of target construction. There is just something different about shooting ductile iron with a 40 grain bullet at standard velocity. I have no problem shooting welded steel targets or resettables with air rifles or air pistols but I just cannot shoot a Smallbore Match with anything but Ray's or Varn's ductile iron targets. Thanks go to both gentlemen for the fine products they provide us with.
Bobby R. Huddleston
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