Accuracy requirements?

[chuck d]

I got to set up my new CZ today- 28d and a 5-8mph breeze- Lovely here in NH!

I have about 2k of the old white box Eley Silhouette. At 40 meters, it was a one holer. At 100 meters, I got a 5 shot group at .92. By that time the fingers were not the best- so I am sure my benhrest technique was a bit off.

Questions:
Is this good enough to compete?

I have found the Eley white silhouette to be very close to the Remington Traget made by Eley. Is this true? Also I shot some Eley "Practice" stuff, seemed to fly the same, any thoughts to that being the same as the old Silhouette?

I was going to try this game a couple years ago, and got high end equipment. Then I sold it, as I wasn't ready to give up NRA High Power. I am going to make some matchs and see how it goes. But to compete at a high level does one need an 1712? In high power, you NEED an AR15 to compete. Some can do it with an M1A, but not many.

I usually go to Camp Perry as one "gift to my self". If I am to make a road trip to a big SB match, which one? Again, I live in NH.

thanks
chuck

[Jeaux]

You got to be kidding me! .92 5 shot group at 100m with 5-8 mph breeze is great. You my friend have a very good gun/ammo combo there. Go shoot and be happy.

You could spend $2-3K on a rifle and not be guaranteed that it would shoot any more accurately than your rifle does now. Your CZ can surely compete at a high level, but there may be some things about it you will probably want to change. There is the major issue of rifle fit for shooting offhand that will probably be the thing that will get you to spend money first. I had a CZ American that was very accurate also. It had the factory trigger that had been worked by a smith courtesy of a previous owner. It was hard to believe that it would pass inspection it felt that good, but it would pass every time. The thing that got me to get a custom 1712 built was that rather than spend a grand plus on having my CZ bedded in a suitable stock (Pharr, Wooster, Nesika, or even a McMillian if that could be done) I decided that it was better just to sell the CZ (for what I had invested too) once I had a 1712 built with the Pharr RT/S stock that is a very good fit on most people for shooting offhand like we do. I have seen pictures of CZs in Pharr stocks and I can honestly say that I feel my scores would be on par with what I do with my 1712 if I were to be shooting such a rifle. Most top shooters use either a 1712 or 54-18MSR built on a custom stock for smallbore hunter, but not all do. A few have others like the Remington 40x action or Winchester Model 52, but they are rather rare.

If there was a class that you could only shoot a CZ rifle in a factory stock, I think most would use a silhouette model or varmint model and the scores at big matches would not be but maybe a point or two lower than they are with the custom rifles. Also, the top shooters would probably be the same as they are at matches now.

Shoot that CZ and enjoy yourself. If you eventually feel that the gun is holding you back, then you can get you one of the custom rifles built any way you want it with all the bells and whistles, but don't expect it to make you a master class shooter overnight. That will take time and practice like it does for most people.

[silhouette13]

whats up Chuck,
what part of NH are you in(they are all good) shoot at PFFG? Pemi? i am going to "try" and shoot the nat'ls at ridgewy maybe car pool?

dave

[Innocent]

Chuck,
Jeaux brings out the points that the rifle will outshoot the standing hold of most people. Use what you have until you feel you have the need for higher end, or you have money burning a hole in your pocket, the rifle is capable of holding a great group with whatever ammo if likes.
I have travelled to matches all over the country, still have made upper central (Wyoming, Montana), the Down East (NH, CN) or California yet but they are on the list!
Ridgway is a great bunch of people running the match, and well worth the trip. For the real feel and most number of shooters go to the Southern Nationals in Winnsboro. The Iron Man in Montana has a great reputation and the match directors there are fine folks, haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, only just getting started on the dark side (high power), and I'm not sure how long my back would withstand the gruelling shooting there.
If you are real eager to go farther, then look into CBC in PeEll Washington, or any of the matches in Arizona, Texas, or Colorado. Actually, I do not believe I have ever shot in a bad silhouette match!!

Have fun and look forward to seeing you.

Mary

[boats]

Starting in Silhouette the CZ is probably the gun to have. I shoot an old Kimber 82 it's not the rifle that a 1712 is particulary at 100 meters, but it's a competitive outfit and never been able to justify the extra cash for the Anschutz. If I was going to upgrade to the Anschutz I would gain a little bit in Accucary a lot in the trigger. New ones are a buit to the new NRA weight rule too while my rifle made weight when it was 7 1/2 lbs.

My smallbore prone Rifle is Anschutz 54 and know how good they are, However the Smallbore prone target requires the best precesion to compete. just don't have to have that kind of peformance to shoot AAA class scores Smallbore hunter Rifle. If I was knocking on Master would probably upgrade.

On your groups I judge my rifle by 10 shot groups, thats the string it shoots in competion. Under 1 inch 10 shots 100 meters with top line target ammo is a very good gun.

Boats

[chuck d]

whats up Chuck,
what part of NH are you in(they are all good) shoot at PFFG? Pemi? i am going to "try" and shoot the nat'ls at ridgewy maybe car pool?

dave

Hi Dave
I live in Lebanon, plan on shooting Pemi, Poineer and PFFG. I am just looking at what would be a good National type match to attend, PA looks like the best. I ahve driven to Perry most times by my self, so company would be a good thing.
See how things line up.
Thanks
chuck