coopers any one?
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silhouette13
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coopers any one?
anyone have any experince with coopers? there are a few at the local matches and they seem VERY nice.i know i will eventually want a nicer rifle than my 452 varmint, i assumed the only logical choice was a 1710.the jackson squirrel rifle seems perfect for silo, I like wood stocks and they seem pretty similar. one guy has a LVT with all the bling it is super accurate and the fit/finish is the best i have ever seen, there is also a very accurate classic around. annies are the bar ,where does the cooper fall
opinions?
dave
opinions?
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I own both, a 1712 and a Cooper JSR. For me, the Anschutz 1712 has the advantage in the balance and trigger versus the Cooper JSR. Cheekpiece is similar, however the pistol grip is much thinner on the Cooper.
Accuracy, the Cooper has a slight edge.
The Cooper scores points for quality of wood, checkering etc.
Accuracy, the Cooper has a slight edge.
The Cooper scores points for quality of wood, checkering etc.
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my experience with Coopers were extremely negative. If I had burned the $1700 in a fireplace I would have received more satisfaction. quality control was horrible, customer service was worse. if it was the last rifle available i'd say no thanks and grab a sling shot.
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dave i have been a fan for a few years( baseball has fans why not shooting),you are a funny cat! an inspiration and a fine roll model.thanks for your candor ,your opinion is welcomed. what do you think of the 1710 in wood? i think they are pretty, not cindy crawford pretty but you know what i mean. does wood have a place in a top end silo gun?
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can you hear me blush? Thank you for the kind words.
Generally speaking I have found Anschutz rifles a joy to own and shoot. Excellent quality, wonderful triggers, accurate, and consistent from rifle to rifle. I think I've owned 6 in my time from a 64ms to a 1413, 1807, 1808msed... I found each one pretty remarkable in its own right. A 1710 in a wood stock is a rifle that is capable of carrying a competent shooter all the way to Master class. As is, wood stock and all. Some folks worry about moisture, the wood moving and changing the point of impact but most every shooter I've met sights in their rifle before each match so I really don't think that is a concern. A wood stocked 1710 would be a great starter rifle you will be able to shoot well in to your career. If or when you decided to investigate the advantages some of the newer glass or graphite stocks provide you will still be very competitive with the 1710 barreled action in your new stock.
Generally speaking I have found Anschutz rifles a joy to own and shoot. Excellent quality, wonderful triggers, accurate, and consistent from rifle to rifle. I think I've owned 6 in my time from a 64ms to a 1413, 1807, 1808msed... I found each one pretty remarkable in its own right. A 1710 in a wood stock is a rifle that is capable of carrying a competent shooter all the way to Master class. As is, wood stock and all. Some folks worry about moisture, the wood moving and changing the point of impact but most every shooter I've met sights in their rifle before each match so I really don't think that is a concern. A wood stocked 1710 would be a great starter rifle you will be able to shoot well in to your career. If or when you decided to investigate the advantages some of the newer glass or graphite stocks provide you will still be very competitive with the 1710 barreled action in your new stock.
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Of course it does, just check out the racks at a match. Nobody likes pretty wood more than I do (canyoncreek is doing one of my 54.18s), but I have my lookers and my shooters. My shooters have Pharr stocks built by Evelio MacDonald. I am also shopping for a Cooper custom classic and Dave has the only bad experience I have found. Camster, you out there?
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I've got 2 both are as accurate as any 17whatever I've shot. IMHO Anschutz wood is way way over rated for the price range they are in. But if you are going to stick your gun in the latest "flavor of the month" composite stock why should you worry that 1/3 of the price of your Anschutz is poorly done?
Why do you think there are so many re-barreled Anschutz's at the matches? Can't be the always perfect 17whatever barrels is is? That makes sense to who; $1500 dollar gun that needs a new barrel??
My son shoots his Jackson Hunter (SS barrel & fiberglass stock) extremely well. It loves any of the better ammos. Ive got an older one with drop deap georgous wood. They both hold zero well and the single stage triggers are as good as others single stage trigger.
I hope others read the poor rating one of the "alleged" experts just posted so I can get them at lower prices. Please listen to him first if you are trying to sell yours.
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Why do you think there are so many re-barreled Anschutz's at the matches? Can't be the always perfect 17whatever barrels is is? That makes sense to who; $1500 dollar gun that needs a new barrel??
My son shoots his Jackson Hunter (SS barrel & fiberglass stock) extremely well. It loves any of the better ammos. Ive got an older one with drop deap georgous wood. They both hold zero well and the single stage triggers are as good as others single stage trigger.
I hope others read the poor rating one of the "alleged" experts just posted so I can get them at lower prices. Please listen to him first if you are trying to sell yours.
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Only had one Cooper that I was considering using in sporter class benchrest and the occasional Rimfire Central online benchrest matches. Most of the time, that thing was just plain scary accurate. Other times, it would throw a flyer or two or shoot really good groups but not quite to the right POI. I blamed the scope and mounts at first and tried a few different ones of each. The wood was beautiful, but I got tired of the flyers and POI changes and I wasn't thrilled with the trigger (decent but not great). It just cost way too much to not be dead reliable. I did end up selling it for more than I paid for it new, so they definitely hold value well. I never tried shooting silhouette with it, as that was before I started silhouette.
I don't have a frame of reference for Anschutz wood-stocked rifles holding POI comparatively because I bought my 1712 as a barreled action and had Mark Pharr put it into one of his stocks. It doesn't have the flyers and POI changes that the Cooper had, but it's not really fair to compare the factory stock cooper with a custom pillar-bedded stock. I definitely like the Anschutz 2-stage trigger better. I'm thinking about rebarreling the Anschutz now, but it has nothing to do with accuracy. I just want a lot more weight in the barrel to slow my wobble down, so I'm going with a 25" barrel in as heavy a taper as hunter class weight limit allows. I have almost a full pound to spare without the weight currently in the foreend and the T24 with BKL 257H-A rings on it. That's a lot of extra barrel to hang out there. As well as that factory Anschutz barrel shoots, I might have it threaded and installed on the FrankenCZ and make it even weirder.
Come to think of it, I've never heard of someone rebarreling a new Anschutz because the factory barrel didn't shoot well. Has anyone else?
I don't have a frame of reference for Anschutz wood-stocked rifles holding POI comparatively because I bought my 1712 as a barreled action and had Mark Pharr put it into one of his stocks. It doesn't have the flyers and POI changes that the Cooper had, but it's not really fair to compare the factory stock cooper with a custom pillar-bedded stock. I definitely like the Anschutz 2-stage trigger better. I'm thinking about rebarreling the Anschutz now, but it has nothing to do with accuracy. I just want a lot more weight in the barrel to slow my wobble down, so I'm going with a 25" barrel in as heavy a taper as hunter class weight limit allows. I have almost a full pound to spare without the weight currently in the foreend and the T24 with BKL 257H-A rings on it. That's a lot of extra barrel to hang out there. As well as that factory Anschutz barrel shoots, I might have it threaded and installed on the FrankenCZ and make it even weirder.
Come to think of it, I've never heard of someone rebarreling a new Anschutz because the factory barrel didn't shoot well. Has anyone else?
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Re: coopers any one?
Get a rifle you're proud of and enjoy but remember the Anschutz 1710 and 1712 are sure things. I will also emphasize the wisdom of Mr. Imas - arrive at matches early enough to check zero on your rifle regardless of what stock it's in. Failure to do so causes much grief...silhouette13 wrote:anyone have any experince with coopers? there are a few at the local matches and they seem VERY nice.i know i will eventually want a nicer rifle than my 452 varmint, i assumed the only logical choice was a 1710.the jackson squirrel rifle seems perfect for silo, I like wood stocks and they seem pretty similar. one guy has a LVT with all the bling it is super accurate and the fit/finish is the best i have ever seen, there is also a very accurate classic around. annies are the bar ,where does the cooper fall
opinions?
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I'm thinking a Rem. 504....Nice little gun...Great initial price....
Get a guy from the southern U.S. to install a Lijla barrel on it and put in a composite stock...Great price...Very cheap, and very fast by comparitive standards.
Be happy, get your job done in a hurry...No waiting your turn in line.
Go out and shoot it...Good to go and most likely to place very high in a very large high profile match...It doesn't get any better thatn that...M.
Get a guy from the southern U.S. to install a Lijla barrel on it and put in a composite stock...Great price...Very cheap, and very fast by comparitive standards.
Be happy, get your job done in a hurry...No waiting your turn in line.
Go out and shoot it...Good to go and most likely to place very high in a very large high profile match...It doesn't get any better thatn that...M.
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LMAO... sounds like a Blaubear rifle to me....metalhead wrote:I'm thinking a Rem. 504....Nice little gun...Great initial price....
Get a guy from the southern U.S. to install a Lijla barrel on it and put in a composite stock...Great price...Very cheap, and very fast by comparitive standards.
Be happy, get your job done in a hurry...No waiting your turn in line.
Go out and shoot it...Good to go and most likely to place very high in a very large high profile match...It doesn't get any better thatn that...M.
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Cruel Marv - very cruel... 
The 504 has been a learning experience, and the latest lesson is torque - lots and lots of torque. Seems Remington only saw fit to use one cross bolt on the barrel and, unless you use a little epoxy, it's important to snug that puppy down tighter than seems reasonable. Since I don't want to glue the barrel to the action I used the long wrench. And - oh yeah - head space it closer than seems right while you're at it. Sheesh.
When you have a rifle built, listen to whoever you choose for the job and use their experience. If they're reluctant to use a particular part, use a different part or use a 'smith with some enthusiasm for - and experience with - that part. And be prepared to wait, 'cause 'smiths are artists that work at their own pace - rush 'em and you will be punished.
If you're building a smallbore rifle, Anschutz is the sure thing. I used a Remington 504 (note - I used it, against the advice of friends and the 'smith) and got an adventure.
The 504 has been a learning experience, and the latest lesson is torque - lots and lots of torque. Seems Remington only saw fit to use one cross bolt on the barrel and, unless you use a little epoxy, it's important to snug that puppy down tighter than seems reasonable. Since I don't want to glue the barrel to the action I used the long wrench. And - oh yeah - head space it closer than seems right while you're at it. Sheesh.
When you have a rifle built, listen to whoever you choose for the job and use their experience. If they're reluctant to use a particular part, use a different part or use a 'smith with some enthusiasm for - and experience with - that part. And be prepared to wait, 'cause 'smiths are artists that work at their own pace - rush 'em and you will be punished.
If you're building a smallbore rifle, Anschutz is the sure thing. I used a Remington 504 (note - I used it, against the advice of friends and the 'smith) and got an adventure.
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Bob...you're right...cruel...very cruel...I owe you a freebe..Maybe a set of 11 MOA Ultra Lites on a real gun...lemme know when and what...but when you qwick fix guys were all bragging up the fastest guy in town...was it any wonder why I went balistic after what I know what goes on in this world and started in with the F-Tard stuff ?...