New 1712 Ring advice

SchweizerFan · Post by **SchweizerFan** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:36 am

Hi all, I have been lurking here for some time gaining information. I finally picked up a Anschutz 1712 and have a few questions about the scope and rings.

My plan is to use a Bushnell Elite 4200 6x24(Price and Quality). My problem is making weight. I have weighed the Anschutz and it comes in at 7lbs 1/2 oz. The Bushnell is supposed to weigh 20.2 oz. This leaves me 3 oz for rings and bases if needed.

Any Ideas? Does the advertised weight of the 4200 include the sunshade?

Thanks In advance!

John

Jason · Post by **Jason** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:50 am

Nope, it doesn't include the sunshade, as least not on the one I owned. I would suggest the BKL 257-A or 257H-A (slightly taller version) of rings. Good quality, good price, and should be about as light as you can get for quality rings. You won't need bases, as they clamp onto the 11mm dovetail on the 1712. Even the higher version (what I use on my 1712) is less than 3 ounces.

SchweizerFan · Post by **SchweizerFan** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:24 pm

Thanks Jason, With the BKL's will I have the range of adjustment with the Bushnell that I need for Silhouette. If not how can I shim the scope to allow for the proper range.

I had hoped to use Burris signature rings but from what I can find they seem to be about 5 oz.

John

_Shorty · Post by **_Shorty** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:04 am

I'm using B-Square's #10101 Interlock adjustable rings on my CZ 453. They're adjustable for both elevation and windage. And they just happen to be for 11mm dovetails, fitting perfectly with the 453's 11mm dovetails.

One nice thing about them, you won't crush your scope if you have to adjust the height of one by a significant amount, as they tilt to match whatever height adjustment you'll have to do. Shimming can be dangerous to the scope tube if you have to move them a fair distance, but you won't have that problem with rings like these.

Very happy with them, and I recommend them without reservation. Not sure how heavy they are. My rifle makes it under the 8.5 lb limit, though just barely. I've got a Tasco 6-24x42mm Target/Varmint scope on it for the moment, which I believe is 19.6 ounces. CZ USA's website says the 453 Varmint is 6.8 lbs, but I think it might be a bit heavier than that. All I know is, when I had everything put together and put it on the scale it came in below the limit, and I was relieved, hehe. They're aluminum rings, so I can't imagine they'll be very heavy.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:08 am

SchweizerFan wrote:Thanks Jason, With the BKL's will I have the range of adjustment with the Bushnell that I need for Silhouette. If not how can I shim the scope to allow for the proper range.

I had hoped to use Burris signature rings but from what I can find they seem to be about 5 oz.

John

Yes, the Burris Signature rimfire rings are the heaviest non-"long distance highpower" rings/mounts that I've ever used. Mine weighed in at about 5.2 ounces before I skeletonized them and even then I just barely got them below four ounces. The BKL rings aren't adjustable, but I didn't need them to be adjustable on my 1712, as I was very close to the center of adjustment when sighting in on chickens (as opposed to turkeys which is ideal, but mostly academic). I did need it on the CZ, however, as the barrel on the Varmint points down slightly relative to the receiver on that gun.

I haven't tried the exact model of B-Square rings that Shorty is talking about, but B-Square usually has pretty good stuff if you go for their upper end rings like those. I don't know the weight of them and couldn't find it on the web anywhere. If you can find out the weight, they might be an option. I'd get opinions on how sturdy the adjustable mechanisms are before I used them in matches, though. It would be less than pleasant for the scope or mounts to get bumped by someone putting their rifle into the rifle by yours and then having your POI be off a little the next time you went to the firing line during the match.

_Shorty · Post by **_Shorty** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:00 pm

You can see the windage adjustment screws on the sides there, and there's also one on the opposite side. You loosen one and tighten the opposite side to move it one way or the other. You can lock it down fairly good just with them, themselves. But once you've done that, on the front of the rings there are also two more screws that act as lock/set screws, which you tighten down after the windage is adjusted to where you like it. It's pretty much rock solid. I've bumped mine around quite a bit since I first got everything dialed in, and nothing's moved. Not a concern, as far as I can tell. I also shoot the same gun for a local benchrest fun match, and my settings are always dead on for that, so I doubt anything's moving or going to move.

edgehit · Post by **edgehit** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:24 am

Try the BKL's. They are tall and get your head up.

I have the rings pictured above and they tend to scuff up your scope during installation or scope removal. Otherwise they're a good ring.