Stock legal for Hunter class??

sobrbiker883 · Post by **sobrbiker883** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:53 pm

Never having seen a jig, I was curious if this new stock by McMillan would be legal for hunter class:

The forend is 2" wide....

yankee · Post by **yankee** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:15 am

This topic brings up some thoughts.
Here are some good questions that haven't been asked in a while.
When was the last time you saw a hunter rifle put in the "jig" ?
Do the hunter rifles have to fit the "jig" to be "legal" ?
Don't just blow off now find the rule.

Jim Beckley · Post by **Jim Beckley** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:31 am

The statement is correct about the HR fitting the jig, I can't remember the last time that I saw a HR put in a jig. Trigger pull weight and working safety is about it.

lone ringer · Post by **lone ringer** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:11 pm

I saw and helped Jack Hill certify a bunch of Hunters with custom stocks that were put through the jig at Raton this year. Tony

papabear · Post by **papabear** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:42 pm

Please correct me if I am wrong but....

Unfortunately the only way to test if your gun fits the "JIG" is to show up in the nationals...

Where is this "JIG" kept?

Is it used or available for use in any other match?

I have shot quite a few matches and have not seen any other match that requires the HR to fit a "JIG" other than the Nationals

By just looking at that stock, my GUESS is that it will, but that is just a guess.

scotty250 · Post by **scotty250** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:08 pm

thanks for putting that up steve. thats the stock i have been checking out for a few weeks now.
thanks
scott

lone ringer · Post by **lone ringer** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:24 pm

Papabear, following the many problems encountered at the 1977 Nationals where Karen Mones rifle was certified and disqualified several times, rules were made regarding stock measurements and wooden jig was introduced the following year at Phoenix. Then a few years later thinking that wood changes somebody made the wise decision to make the jig out of Plexiglas and that is the same jig we have now.

The jig is kept at the NRA building at Fairfax, VA. And I would venture to say that Greg Connor is the custodian of it and he takes it to whereever the rifle Nationals are held.

If you have a concern about your rifle not passing the jig you could make your own blue print by following the 3.1 High Power Silhouette Rifle rule (d) Stock.
A good friend of mine that makes rifle stocks for silhouette shooting made his own to make sure the rifles he restocks are within the rules.

In my opinion only those that push the envelope as far as rules are concerned have to worry about not passing the jig, the most common problem is the toe of the stock because if a hunting stock has more than 14

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:34 am

[quote="lone ringer"]the most common problem is the toe of the stock because if a hunting stock has more than 14

lone ringer · Post by **lone ringer** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:05 am

BlauBear, that is not the worst thing that has happened during TI at Nats, some factory stocks like the McMillan Anschutz thumb hole and the Walther Silhouette were a bit off and depending on how hard nosed the person running the jig was he would make us remove with sandpaper paint or wood of the bottom of the stocks to pass the jig.

The jig is not fool proof and can be manipulated that is the worst part but unless somebody builds something else like a box where rifles have fit to be legal, the jig is the next best thing.

jneihouse · Post by **jneihouse** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:45 am

For those who have never seen the stock eating monster jig, here is a pic taken at Ridgeway 2006 (nats)

Kitty

cwdgun · Post by **cwdgun** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:46 pm

I had the same thing happen on my walther stock, did not fit and had to change it although it is a factory stock,I was not a happy camper when I had to ruin my finish on my stock

As far as using or requesting the "jig" from Conners, You can forget that he does not let it out of his of his sight

I ask once before. It's my understanding tha the pharr stock have been approved, although they really don't totally fit the jig. I might be wrong on this but that is what I have been told. It lloks like the stock in the picture might be to wide at the fore end

What do you think, KItty

jneihouse · Post by **jneihouse** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:34 am

My Pharr RT/S stocks with 14 1/4 LOP fit the jig this year at the nationals, but had to be "nudged" into the jig, due to the LOP. It was close to having too much drop at heel, but there are no specifications (to my knowledge, someone who would know more than I can jump in and help us with their knowledge of the subject) and as to how tightly the rifle can fit in the jig and still be legal. Possibly (note I said "possibly") my rifles may not have fit the jig had the butt pad not been made of shoe crepe. Dimensionally, the Pharr stock is legal, but a long LOP that doesn't take into account drop at heel could make the gun fail the jig test. I would like to see that rule relaxed, as I fail to see how an additional fraction of an inch drop at heel would give a competitor a significant advantage.

As to the McMillian stock pictured above, Chuck, I don't think that the width of the foreend would disqualify it and it looks (as near as I can tell from the pic) to be okay. However, it does look more like a benchrest stock than a silhouette stock. The wide fore end lets it ride the rest a little better. Comb height looks a little low for optimum offhand shooting posture to me. Just my 2 cents worth

Kitty

lone ringer · Post by **lone ringer** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:54 am

That stock in the picture is McMillan's
NEW RIMFIRE MAGNUM VARMINT:
This is a new stock designed for the various rimfire rifles being used for field varmint hunting. It has a 2" wide semi-beavertail forearm, a raised comb for scope use, and a slight palm swell on the pistol grip. It is an ambidextrous stock and may be used both right and left handed. It can be inletted for the Anschutz

yankee · Post by **yankee** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:41 pm

It used to be that the hunter just had to look like a hunter but in one of the last revisions the rules say it must be similar in shape to the standard thus fitting the jig.
When building stocks through the years I have used this method and never had a problem.
Take a piece of cardboard about 12 inches by 36 inches and draw three lines on it lengthwise. The first line will be the center line of the bore. The second line is parallel to the first 2 1/4 inches lower, this being the line of the lower side of the forend. The third line also parallel is 7 inches below the first and is the max depth of the toe of the stock.
Get a 36 inch length of 1/16 welding rod and insert into the barrel.
Lay the rifle on it's side with the rod in the barrel on the cardboard and line the rod up with the top line. Level the rod, barrel, and square the lower edge of the forend with the 2nd line. I always use the bottom of the rod as this gives 1/32 fudge factor.

sobrbiker883 · Post by **sobrbiker883** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:48 pm

Nice way to check yankee, although I think I'll opt for a wooden dowel instaed of welding rod to slide in my bore

I've got a virgin BDL stock that will be getting a facelift for my HP gun, and a CZ trainer stock for my CZ hunter SB.....