single shot converted actions?

[Don Weathersbee]

If some one took an action like a remington 700 and modified it to a single shot ( something like welding the magazine closed or epoxying a plate in the magazine well) for a hunter rifle, will he have problems with tech and and difficult line officers at shoots like the nationals?

I've seen 40x used, but these are not actions that have veen modified.? don

[Troy G]

I am under the impression that an action modified to be single shot is not okay and an action that came from the manufacturer as a single shot is okay for HP hunter.

[Jason]

Mark Pharr forwarded out a couple emails that he got from NRA silhouette committee members that made it pretty clear. If the action/rifle started its life as a single shot then it could be made into a legal hunter rifle. If a magazine rifle was modified into a single shot (a Rem 700 was the specific example in the email), then it would not be a legal hunter rifle as the rules are currently written. While even the silhouette committee member expressed the sentiment that the converted rifle would have no actual advantage in practice and the rule might need to be reworded, as it stands now the converted action definitely wasn't legal for hunter class.

[Evelio Mc Donald]

Hello Mr. Don
You should know better than to even ask that question.
Long time no see or heard from you.
Don, the new rules now are pretty clear to where you can actually load one round at the time, as long as it is loaded into the mag. and also pushed into the chamber by the bolt instead of your finger.
Why do you want to weld the bottom of the receiver anyway ????
We miss you. By the way, have you blowned any guns latelly.
Evelio.

[GTKF]

IIRC the first letter sent by Mark Pharr stated with current rules a single sht action could not be used, although there was no advantage, the second letter corrrected that and said it would be legal. Wish I kept a copy.

Ken

[Evelio Mc Donald]

A factory single shot action like a 40x or xp100 are allowed in the hunter class, a factory repeater coverted to single shot IS NOT ALLOWED.
Evelio.

[Don Weathersbee]

Evelio, If you weld up the magazine port with a steel plate, it makes the action stiffer and more accurate. But actually in my case no better than I can hold, a stiffer action would not help much.

As for the blown rifle, I haven't even so much as ruptured a primer since I got out of the Phoenix heat. don

[Troy G]

I am not trying to pick on anyone here but in our sport, with our chamberings, how exactly would you measure the accuracy potential of a single shot versus a repeater action. It is not like we are shooting 6PPC Rails.

I would think that weight savings with a smaller single shot action may be the advantage but even then a single shot has more metal. I would think the weight of the spring and follower of a repeater may be slightly lighter?

I would say going with a single shot would allow one to buy a custom action built to tighter tolerances and different configurations and that would make the rifle more accurate.

Soooo, what would be the reason to go to a single shot hunter?

[Don Weathersbee]

Well Troy, guess I would answer this way. I think everyone wants the most accurate rifle that he can afford.... Otherwise everyone would just shoot a fractory barrel that comes on a Rem 700. I expect you would rather shoot a rifle that grouped .5" rather one that would only shoot 1.5". Lots of repeaters will shoot 1/2" I know this (afterthe barrel is changed out).
But not every one wants to follow the crowd. Like everyone doesn't want to shoot a .260 or a 7mm08. I guess some people just want to see what they can make and play with that untill they dream up something else. To me it is part of the game. don

[Bob259]

Or as Kitty would say.... "It's the BLING factor"

[Troy G]

Mr. Weathersbee,

I was not calling you out personally and mean no disrespect. I apologize if my post came across as such.

In your example, it would be easy to see a huge difference in a factory barrel versus an aftermarket barrel going from 1.5 to .5 moa groups. In my original question I was wondering if you or others have been able to measure or are seeing an accuracy advantage that you can directly relate to switching from a repeater to a single shot like in the barrel example. How do you go about testing this as I am considering the use of a single shot custom action so that I would not have to have a smith accurize and work over a Rem 700. I would be interested in your findings if you would be willing to share them. You may email or pm me as to not take this thread too far off topic.

If going with a custom is just for the bling then one may as well look good winning or stinking the place up.

[jneihouse]

If going with a custom is just for the bling then one may as well look good winning or stinking the place up.

Wait a minute......Don't insult the bling

[Evelio Mc Donald]

Troy
I am going to try to clarify this subject. First of all the single shot actions (40-X XP100 Panda Stillers ETC.) are obviously more rigid and stiffer than a repeater action. Now if you were to hang a 1 1/2" dia. barrel about 20" to 23" long on an action, which one do you think will deflect the most ??? As the action deflects so dose the bolt which in turn will not have a 100% contact with the back of the case. Will that deviation stops the gun from putting every shot in the same hole at 100 yds. ??? YES IT WILL
If I mounted the same brand, contour, and length barrel, same chamber, and caliber, and same load of course, on both actions. I really think that either one will shoot under 1/2 min. all the way to 500 meters.
Why is a single shot action for silhouette high power prefered over a repeater ????
How long does it takes to put 3 rounds on a repeater, how about 5 ???
How many times will it get jamed while loading ?????
How many times will a round jumps out of the mag. and falls to the ground????
How many times when you try to cycle the bolt, everything will be jammed. ????
In a single shot action, you will never have any of those problems.
My new 6.5 x 47 won't feed correctly half the time. I tried every f----- thing you can think of, and still is a pain in the butt.
My next project ( if I ever find the time ) is to pull the 308 barrel off my 40X single shot, and put the 6.5x47 on it.
Evelio.

[Troy G]

Mr. Mc Donald,

We need to compare apples to apples. How many silhouette rifles have you seen or built with a 1.5" barrel diameter for 20-23"? I agree that a single shot action is stiffer and has more accuracy potential. I just don't think that the level of accuracy is meaningfully measured given silhouette components nor would the increase in accuracy benefit a silhouette shooter shooting off hand. I was just wondering if anyone had done any kinds of tests or tinkered with trying to eliminate variables so that one could say how much of a difference for silhouette shooters a single shot makes over a repeater in the accuracy department.

I do agree that a single shot action is a no brainer as far as feeding goes and it should not need to be trued and have the firing pin hole bushed, etc. I sure do like my BAT benchrest actions.

Thank you for your response.

[dryfire]

Guys,guys

If a 1/2 MOA gun can be built on a repeater action and it's well known
that it can . Why not just put a solid floor plate in a 700 short and spend
the rest of the dough on cartridge components for more practice.
I know , personal preference and the 'show and tell' factor but I don't think those rams at 500 care if it's a 1/4 or 1/2 minute.
Keep smiling!