AR in High Power?

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:33 pm

Has anyone used an AR in high power Silhouette? Chambered in Remington .260 it might work well for those of us with shoulder problems, though ejected cases would need pretty close control.

Joaquin B · Post by **Joaquin B** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:26 pm

I've used my M1A with iron sights and it is definitely a challenge.
One note - you are not allowed to rest the rifle by the magazine in the palm of your hand. You must grip the rifle by the barrel sleeve.

Best of luck,

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:43 pm

Maybe it's better to explain the problem I'm trying to solve before proposing solutions!

Even the relatively light recoil of a Remington .260 annoys the arthritis in my right shoulder, but I would really like to try high power silhouette. Suggestions?

carl425 · Post by **carl425** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:23 pm

1) Use the whole 10lbs 2oz you're allowed for a HP standard rifle
2) Get a trap style recoil pad
3) Chamber it in one of the 6.5mm calibers
4) Shoot 108's at everything shorter than the rams
5) Shoot 139's at the rams loaded to 2600 fps

The 108's at a modest velocity from a heavy rifle with a good recoil pad are barely noticeable. Only 1/4 of your shots would have any recoil to speak of at all, and done as above it shouldn't bother you too much if at all. You could even back the ram load down to 2500 fps if you needed to and risk an occasional ringer. You'd still know you hit it which is more important than the score anyway.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:43 pm

Can't you hold it under the triggerguard like with bolt guns? When shooting my AR offhand, I have the triggerguard sitting on the web between my thumb and index finger of my forward hand.

yankee · Post by **yankee** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:26 am

6.5 on a BR case works and is quite mild. 107 or 120 for the short end and 142 at 2400 to 2500 fps work great for the long one.

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:16 am

Is there a difference in felt recoil between a wooden stock and a synthetic one? I had originally hoped to have Evelio drop the Remington 700 CDL in a Pharr or Nessika stock, but after a few sight in rounds left my right hand numb (makes for lousy trigger control) I asked him to hold off.

Load was 107 grain Sierra Matchking on 36 grains of Vargit, with the action in the standard wooden stock with a steel butt plate. I know that a real recoil pad will help, but I'm reluctant to spend more time and money on the project if it's the wrong direction.

Thanks for all your help folks!

carl425 · Post by **carl425** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:22 am

I assume you're still talking 260. 36 grains of Varget is actually below Sierra's recommended minimum load for that bullet. I hate to be a wet blanket, but if a few sighters of that load make your hand go numb, this might not be the game for you.

You could spend a few bucks on a slip-on recoil pad to see it it's just the metal butt plate causing the problem. Or if you go out to a local match and explain to the shooters what you're trying to figure out, I'm sure you'll get several offers to try different rifles. You know how junkies want to get everybody else hooked.

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:52 pm

That's not the answer I wanted Carl, but then you already knew that...

Anyone want a real nice .260? Nuts. If nothing else I will spend more time studying the problem and looking for a solution.

yankee · Post by **yankee** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:35 pm

An inexpensive try of a recoil pad. Pick up a pair of flip flops- shower shoes. Remove the metal but plate and trim shower shoe to size then use tape to attach. It will be a bit long. Try some different ones at the store for desired softness or what ever. If you don't like the thickness you can thin them down easily. have fun.

dryfire · Post by **dryfire** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:51 pm

Bob
If you put those flip-flops on your rifle you'd never have to clean it -
just take it in the shower with you!

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:51 pm

No can do Dryfire - it's a wooden stock...

timfinle · Post by **timfinle** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:41 pm

I think this is a two stage fix for you. Follow the load recommendation from above then, try one of these pads.

I would put a limb saver recoil pad on the rifle. You can shoot a 12 gauge all day long with this recoil pad.
http://www.limbsaver.com/Products/Firea ... l_Pad.aspx

or try one of these:

http://www.precisionreloading.com/recoilpads.htm

the kick ezz has templates and the pads are nice and thick. I read some reviews (never tried one) and the comments by the reveiwers described what I would want in a recoil pad.

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:05 am

I also need to get serious about rehabilitating this shoulder. It has been a problem for several years but it never really stopped me from doing anything before. Meanwhile, I can work with load, LOP, rifle weight and recoil pads to see what improvement can be had.

The .260 is probably the right caliber, the KickEeez is a good starting point for extra padding and trying a synthetic stock to reduce the weight since that is also a factor I've noticed while playing with small bore. Thanks for the links, Tim, the templates are especially handy since accurately grinding recoil pads is not a particular gift of mine. Hopefully I can do this by taking several approaches.

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:46 pm

The rifle part is now in Evelio's hands and the shoulder gets to meet Mr. Physical Therapist. For a minute there, I forgot that I don't back down from challenges.