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[Bob259]

I asked once and was told it was to be under 500FPS for the Target Rifle class as well. I think yours would be in the open PCP class, that's what my AZ Styer is in.

[Dee]

The Edge was designed to be AirForce's 10m rifle shooting at around 575-600 fps so it should make Target Class so long as it has not been modded for more power than it is Open Class only. From what I understand un-modded it gets around 100 shots per fill so if it was modded for power I am guessing 30-40 shots as the air cylinder is very small on them to begin with.

The new high end PCP 10m rifles and Open rifles are all that no doubt about it. But the nut behind the trigger is still the most crucial part. Look at Tureau in Winnie last month winning the Target Class against all the $2000+ PCP rifles beating them with a SPRING GUN 10m Rifle Anschutz 380 they no longer even make parts for it is so old. His 52/60 was also a new Senior Record for Target Class. Now would I trade my 8002 for his 380? HELL NO! But the point is the trigger nut has to work properly or you could hand the most custom tricked out expensive rig to someone and they won't hit diddly with it anyway.

I hope when you say you got it maxed out that is maxed out as far as its power range and still be 10m otherwise I am kind of confused why you wouldn't have just bought a rifle already made with higher power for the same $$ roughly.

Dee

[ShooterP14]

The Edge was designed to be AirForce's 10m rifle shooting at around 575-600 fps so it should make Target Class so long as it has not been modded for more power than it is Open Class only. From what I understand un-modded it gets around 100 shots per fill so if it was modded for power I am guessing 30-40 shots as the air cylinder is very small on them to begin with.

The new high end PCP 10m rifles and Open rifles are all that no doubt about it. But the nut behind the trigger is still the most crucial part. Look at Tureau in Winnie last month winning the Target Class against all the $2000+ PCP rifles beating them with a SPRING GUN 10m Rifle Anschutz 380 they no longer even make parts for it is so old. His 52/60 was also a new Senior Record for Target Class. Now would I trade my 8002 for his 380? HELL NO! But the point is the trigger nut has to work properly or you could hand the most custom tricked out expensive rig to someone and they won't hit diddly with it anyway.

I hope when you say you got it maxed out that is maxed out as far as its power range and still be 10m otherwise I am kind of confused why you wouldn't have just bought a rifle already made with higher power for the same $$ roughly.

Dee

There is nothing in either of the rule books (Int. Rifle or silhouette) the restricts the velocity. The Walther I was using (a loaner from the junior club) was about 570fps with a short bbl. I bet some of the full size ones might be a little above that.

If I had COULD find another rifle with the same velocity for the same price in the target class... Well what's the difference? I got the one I wanted.

Jerry is one phenomenal shooter with any firearm. I just don't understand why is there such a bruhaha about my rifle? Just because it's different? Again, am I gaining an unfair advantage over those who are using an Anschutz or RWS? I'm only trying to go out and have a good time and try to stay within a budget. If I have to wait until I could afford one of those rifles, I'd probably be too old to shoot.

Finally, since the only competition open to me right now is at Winnsboro and if the match director at Winnsboro tells me that it only qualifies in open class, so be it. I'll save some even more money by not shooting in target class. Plus, I still have a rifle that I can practice in my back yard that has a similar feel and trigger pull as my Anschutz smallbore silhouette rifle (the Walther had too light of a trigger to switch back and forth).

[Finprof]

If you look in our score book, you will see three classes for air rifle: sporter, target and open. I shoot in all three classes. My open gun is a Steyr and is designed for field target like your Edge. Both guns shoot about 900fps with heavies. A target gun will shoot around 520fps with light pellets. I can't shoot my Steyr in target class since it was not designed to be a 10 meter rifle and you can't shoot your Edge in target class since it was not designed for 10 meter olympic class shooting. The Steyr needs 1 minute of correction over all four animals while my 10-meter gun
needs eight.

You are good to go in open class. You should also look around to see if there is field target shooting around where you live. Field target is shot out to 55 yards over unknown distances, so you need a flat trajectory and ability to buck wind. The Edge has both, as does my Steyr. A target gun would be at a severe disadvantage in field target and is also at a disadvantage for rams. A target gun in a breeze is an exercise in frustration, particularly on the rams.

At any air rifle silhouette match, there will be sporter and target and open guns on the line at the same time. It jsut takes a couple more animals to make the next higher class in open than it does in target or sporter.

I am shooting my Steyr in a field target match on Sunday.

[psteiger]

I think Gabby Jone shot his Edge in target class at Winni. I don't remember any issues there. In fact I think it was shooting 540/ 550fps, while the Feinwerkbau 300S regularly chronies around 630fps. All the Target guns I've chronied are between 550 and 630 fps. Most are around 560 - 570 with JSB 8.4's. I've tested quite a few from the old Diana 65/66 break barrels, to the FWB P700, springer, SSP and PCP alike. The only difference I've found is the left handed guns all throw pellets ocassionaly. Nothing in the rule book limits target guns to a speed, however, I think, (oh boy here come the flame suit) the intent is to keep high powered rifles in their own class. It is possible to modify some target rifles to shoot faster. But that's cheating. The first time I saw the Edge advertised, it was for the "Sporter" Class in 4-H. The S200T is another rifle in that class, and it is usually in the Open class. $H shoots them at 10M. My take would be that if it's shooting around 600fps, it's ok, as it has no advantage over any other Target gun. Come to Texas in September, shoot our State Match and have fun. If there is a problem with your gun, we'll make you shoot Larry's 300S...... I don't think there will be a problem., though. BTW Bill Motl, the Winni Air gun match director, will be there.

congrats on a cool toy.

p

[Dee]

No one is dissing your choice of rifle. You stated that you had the power adjusted all the way up. When it comes to airguns that can mean a hell of a lot of difference. They have 10m Steyr models that shot around 575-600 fps with 8gr pellets from the factory but have been modded to shoot around 900 fps with 10.4gr pellets. These rifles no longer qualify for target class of course only open class.

This is from the Description of the Edge "AirForce Edge 10-meter Sporter Class rifle" They already made higher power rifles the could be FT rifles but you aren't likely to see any at a match. I have heard many people like the Edge for 10m shooting and they seem to have used quality parts.

There are no 10m air rifles that I know of that shoot much hotter than 600 fps with 8gr pellets. Either it is a 10m rifle or it isn't. IMO this one is if it has not been modded which means you can use it for Target and Open class.

I was talking to Gabby about his yesterday at the match and he says he gets 100 shots a fill and it shoots at 10m velocity. There is no air rifle out there with that small a tank that will give you 30-40 full power shots a fill and the 100 at 10m speeds sounds about right to me.

The main thing is to have fun. I'll ask Gabby tomorrow about his Winnie match to see if he did indeed shoot his Edge in Target Class. I am almost positive he did because he has a Marauder for Open he was saying.


Dee

[ShooterP14]

There are no 10m air rifles that I know of that shoot much hotter than 600 fps with 8gr pellets. Either it is a 10m rifle or it isn't. IMO this one is if it has not been modded which means you can use it for Target and Open class.

I was talking to Gabby about his yesterday at the match and he says he gets 100 shots a fill and it shoots at 10m velocity. There is no air rifle out there with that small a tank that will give you 30-40 full power shots a fill and the 100 at 10m speeds sounds about right to me.

Dee

The standard specifications on the rifle is only 500fps from AirForce. As I said before the Walther was 590fps. But again, if velocity were a restriction, it would be in the rules. I chrono'ed the rifle today and it is no where near 900fps with an 8.4g Superdome. It is however, significantly higher than the original 500fps. The extreme spread was 5.62fps and the std dev was 2.23. VERY consistent! The groups aren't too bad either. It got a little breezy as you can see by the group on the left (my point of aim was the number "4"). It shoots a whole lot better than I could ever hold it.

I didn't have time to see how many shots I can get before the pressure drops below the regulator setting. The Walther gave me ~180 shots before the velocities began to fall off (see below). So, I am optimistic that I can get at least 40 shots. I also want to try it with some 10.49g Gamo pellets I have. That'll be next week.

-Pat-

[Dee]

Talked to Gabby about his Edge this morning and he confirmed he used it to shoot Target Class at Winnie this year. I am not sure where this 500 fps talk comes from because I have never seen a 10m rifle that shoots that slow maybe around 525 on some old outdated models but nothing newer shoots that slow. That being said I am also not sure where the idea the Edge is a Field Target rifle comes from either. I highly suggest you not show up to a FT match with one unless you have your sights set on coming in last. While there is a International FT Class that is rated by ft lbs of energy 12 ft lbs being the max not just velocity. So they shoot 8.4gr pellets around 800 fps max for that class of FT. The Open Class shoots up to 20 ft pounds using 10.6gr pellets winging around 875 fps. I have shot a FT match offhand with my 10m Steyr SSP before on a whim and it was fun but needless to say I was no where close to winning. Although dropping a FT at 53 yards offhand using a 10m rifle with a 1.5" Kill Zone target sure did impress some people

So the question I still have is, What kind of "power" mod did you have performed and I guess why as well. Since you mention getting a rifle in your price range there are a few that are already more powerful than the Edge that cost just as much or even less. Do you happen to have a chronograph to test the velocity?

Dee

[Bob259]

I believe at Camp Perry they said to be classified as a target rifle they are to be no more the 600 FPS (not 500 fps as stated earlier typo ). Trying to find that listing.

[ShooterP14]

... I am not sure where this 500 fps talk comes from because...
... That being said I am also not sure where the idea the Edge is a Field Target rifle comes from either.

... I highly suggest you not show up to a FT match with one unless you have your sights set on coming in last....

So the question I still have is, What kind of "power" mod did you have performed and I guess why as well. Since you mention getting a rifle in your price range there are a few that are already more powerful than the Edge that cost just as much or even less. Do you happen to have a chronograph to test the velocity?

Dee

The 500 fps and "Field Target" are published by Air Force.

First, I don't plan on shooting FT matches. And if I did, it would be for fun anyway. I'm not one of those "I won't play unless I can win" types.

See previous post. I chorno'ed 10 shots and got the results I had asked Air Force to give me. Since there is norestrictions on velocity in the rules, I'm only going to show off the extreme spread and STD dev. If there is a burning curiosity to know the numbers PM me and I'll send them to you.

As to why I chose the Edge. It was what I wanted, simple as that.

-Pat-

[ShooterP14]

I believe at Camp Perry they said to be classified as a target rifle they are to be no more the 600 FPS (not 500 fps as stated earlier typo ). Trying to find that listing.

Why is it always, "I heard" or "I think" or "Someone said". If it is a restriction at Perry it would have to be in the match bulletin, because it's not in the rules (at least nowhere I can find). You can place any restrictions you want in the match bullitin. It just has to be published prior to the match.

-Pat-

[Dee]

Ok so you bought a 10m rifle shooting at 10m velocity got it. I am not a win at all costs type of person either I just know enough about airguns to know you will never likely win a FT match with a Edge or any other AirForce rifle. They must have that as a typo or something, if they truly think the Edge is a FT rifle they need their heads examined.

I am glad you got what you wanted and all that. I wasn't trying to say anything otherwise I was just confused about why you would get a 10m rifle tuned up in power and why anyone would think it a FT rifle.

FYI you never actually gave the velocity which is what all the "yes it can or no it can't" be a Target class gun comes from.

Enjoy your rifle.


Dee

[chuckjordan2]

The Edge was originally designed for 10M and was altered for FT shooting. Well, what about the FWB P70 (also P700) which are 10M but the factory has them (the P70) in FT form? That's in the same predicament.

You can shoot the 10M with alot less expensive airrifles that were shot in 10M. You have: Diana Giss family (models 60, 65, 66, 75), FWB 300, Walther (LG55, LGV) and then (SSP) pneumatic: FWB600, 601, 602, 603, Walther LGR, etc, Diana 100. Many of these can be had quite cheap (ask me, I brought in many from Germany for an incredibly low price). Past tense now.

I have an exceptional FWB300SU that will shoot rings around my P70. My point is you can get in cheap in the 10M class.

BTW, nice Edge. Hows the shot-2-shot consistancy?

[ShooterP14]

The Edge was originally designed for 10M and was altered for FT shooting. Well, what about the FWB P70 (also P700) which are 10M but the factory has them (the P70) in FT form? That's in the same predicament.

You can shoot the 10M with alot less expensive airrifles that were shot in 10M. You have: Diana Giss family (models 60, 65, 66, 75), FWB 300, Walther (LG55, LGV) and then (SSP) pneumatic: FWB600, 601, 602, 603, Walther LGR, etc, Diana 100. Many of these can be had quite cheap (ask me, I brought in many from Germany for an incredibly low price). Past tense now.

I have an exceptional FWB300SU that will shoot rings around my P70. My point is you can get in cheap in the 10M class.

BTW, nice Edge. Hows the shot-2-shot consistancy?

I have done some more research and I find myself in error. The Edge was not designed for FT but for "Sporter Air Rifle". Baisically a poor man's 10m competition. The rules are basically the same, but for less expensive rifles. As far as I know the Edge still qualifies for International 10m (at least the smallbore director at my club said I could), but you can't use a $2000 Ancheutz in sporter air rifle (no jackets either). Juniors shoot 3P and adults shoot standing only.

Shot to shot data: extreme spread was 5.62fps and the std dev was 2.23 for a 10 shot string.

The only drawback I have found is with the increased pressure I only get about 60 shots before the velocity begins to drop off. Since Winnsboro is a 60 shot match, I'll have to gas-up halfway through just to be safe.

-Pat-

[Finprof]

There appears to be some confusion here as to what is legal in target class. An unmodified 10-meter rifle like the 10-meter version of a Steyr LG100 or the Walther LG300 or FWB 700. All three companies also make a field target versions of the same guns, which are not legal for target but legal for open class. Also, it is easy to modify a 10-meter gun to generate a higher velocity. Any modification takes the gun out of target and into open class.

On my target gun, a Wather LG300XT I get 300-400 shots per fill. a fellow shooter has the "Hunter" version of the Walther LG300, which is a really good open gun (wish I had one) and has to refill for a 40 shot match.

Sine you state that it would be difficult to get 60 shots per fill, I suspect your gun has been bumped in velocity, which takes it out of the target (unmodifed) class and into the open class.

Overall, I don't think you have any problem since it appears that you are only shooting one gun and an open class PCP would be a really good way to start air gun. Target class can be really tricky in wind and sporter can be really frustrating because they are sensitive to everything. It appears you don't have another open class gun, so you are not duplicating what you have already.

You have an excellent way to start air rifle silhouette. Shoot well and often.