The Revered 1712.

[Detritus]

I went to the store (Gun) today to get a few things and check up on the CZ453. It was supposed to be off getting bedded etc by the prefered Gunsmith, but i found it has been delayed . This has me thinking as I now might have a chance of pulling the funds for a 1712 . I'd need to act soonish though. I think I've read almost every post on the rifle thus far, i currently shoot at "AA". Suppose i'm looking for a "nudge" in that direction to start things happening.
Cheers,
Detritus.

[Evelio Mc Donald]

DETRITUS
I would probably get my butt kicked for saying this, but as accuracy is concerned, there are practically no difference between the 453 and the 1712, the stocks are pretty much alike, the only real diference,is the trigger, the 1712 with the new two stage trigger is superior to the 453, but you can still replace the trigger on the 453, and will make it fairly compatible.
Now once you get to the point where you are hitting 30 out of 40 consistently, then it will be time to change over to a Lilja barrel, and a Parr stock, once you do that, on either action, you will end up with pretty much about the best you can get.
From then on there will be no excuses as far as equipment goes, it will be up to the person pulling the trigger.
Regards Evelio.

[ajj]

I agree with the accuracy comparison. I remember Chicken's first trip to Winnsboro where he was shooting a CZ. He showed me a 100 meter five-shot group of about .9" and when I said something like "Nice, but don't expect all of them to be that small," he ran off three more in a row just to watch my jaw drop. They ALL seem to shoot good, too. However, I've never handled a CZ that "held" as well as the 1712. Sure, a lot of the price is in the materials, finish and the name, but the way the rifle fits and balances is pretty important. With some practice and fidddling with rings, you can get a cheek weld with the 1712, for instance.

[GeoNLR]

I think the 453 has the set trigger, does it not? If so, I would reccomend staying away from it. Reasons- It's not the same as the 452 and the (3) mods that are out there do not work on it (As I understand it) and I have also been told through research that the set function can not be disabled and therefore not legal for NRA silhouette as I understand it (at least for Hunter...????)

[Detritus]

G'day again,
You have thrown me a curve-ball Geo, I had to go check my sources again Are the mods for 452 you speak of just for the trigger? The 453 i sussed out in the store had the SST adjustment screw screwed completely in and you could not push it forward at all. On page 25 of the CZ manual they have a note stating the SST feature can be removed from the trigger assembly. I interpret that at face value though.... check it out http://www.czub.cz/navody/cz452_en.pdf I might have lept before I've looked on this one tho...
will ask the Guru's at the club next time i see them, sorta why i was coining the idea of pushing for the Anschutz instead before the permit for the CZ comes through... ( this is the first instance our 30-60 working days permit turn around might actually be usefull!)

Cheers.

[Detritus]

Hope i'm not becoming a bore...
Thru looking into the 1712, it seems that with any pictures i find of the two rifles the triggers look different... I'll try and post some pics of what i mean if no one can ellaborate on the topic,,, the FWT seems to have a very thick standard looking blade, where as the 1712 Silhouette (wood stock) has an off-set bar with a very fine blade... are they both the same two stage trigger mechanism?

[nanaimoman]

Hope i'm not becoming a bore...
Thru looking into the 1712, it seems that with any pictures i find of the two rifles the triggers look different... I'll try and post some pics of what i mean if no one can ellaborate on the topic,,, the FWT seems to have a very thick standard looking blade, where as the 1712 Silhouette (wood stock) has an off-set bar with a very fine blade... are they both the same two stage trigger mechanism?

Both 1712's stock come with the same trigger blade. If your seeing in a picture one with a wide blade it would be an aftermarket blade possible provided by Marv Pearson.

[Evelio Mc Donald]

The older 1712 had a single stage trigger, which looks like the one you described first, they have a newer version with a two stage trigger, which have the adjustable small thin blade ( better trigger ) either version will fit any of the 1700 series Anchutz without any modification.
Evelio.

[skydiver41]

Greetings All. Last week I shot my first match with my old hunting rifle (Winchester Model 75) and a cheapy Tasco 3-12x40 and shot a 19 and a 12. I must say that I'm hooked. If a new shooter were wanting a first class rifle that he could compete with in Hunter or Smallbore, would the 1712 and a good scope be the ticket, assuming available funds? Thanks in advance.

[Jetmugg]

Skydiver:
I was there with you on Sunday - that was some very good shooting you performed with a true "Hunting" rifle setup. Your rifle/scope setup looks like the perfect squirrel hunting rig for carrying into the woods. If I remember, you said that the rifle belonged to your Grandfather. A great piece of history, nostalgia, and a perfect hunting companion. With an upgraded scope, you would probably be competitive for a long time with your Grandpa's Winchester.
Since you area hooked on the Silhouette sport, if money is no object, you can't go wrong with a 1712 and the high-end scope of your choice. If money is more of a concern, a CZ 452 (either the American, Silhouette, or Varmint model) and the scope of your choice is very hard to beat on a dollar for dollar basis. I'm sure that some of the guys at the StLouis club would be more than willing to let you try their rigs out at the next shoot in February. You are certainly welcome to try my CZ 452 Varmint/Silhouette hybrid, and there are a couple of guys there with 1712's.

Again, good shooting.

Steve Menendez

[skydiver41]

Yes, that was my squirrel hunting rifle until I bought a new Ruger heavy barrel bolt action 22 mag 3 years ago. Now I have found a purpose for the old Winchester. Eventually, I will want to upgrade to something more high speed that I can shoot in both classes like the 1712 but for now I think I'll just buy a T-24 or one of the new Leupold 25x Silhouette scopes for it and practice. It's never too early to dream and start planning the next rifle though. Thanks for the help.