Classification?

[slowstdy]

Can someone please confirm this?
A "B" class shooter shoots 2

[Guest]

Negative.

When a "B" shooter shoots a AAA score, that is a "break out" score and he moves up to AA. The second AAA is just that, his second leg into AAA. Now granted this is mentioned in the rule book for "registered" matches, meaning this does not HAVE to happen at your approved matches BUT any/all of the match Directors operate their approved matches under these same rules under the "Known Ability" clause

B takes (2) A scores to more up to A
A (and all others) take (3) to move up


When you shoot a "Break Out" (a score 2 or more classes above your current class)you Automaticly move up to one class BELOW your score while the Score itself counts as your first leg into that higher class...

Example..

an "A" shooter shoots a master score.... He/she is now a AAA shooter and has 1 leg into Master...

[Guest]

Negative.

When a "B" shooter shoots a AAA score, that is a "break out" score and he moves up to AA. The second AAA is just that, his second leg into AAA. Now granted this is mentioned in the rule book for "registered" matches, meaning this does not HAVE to happen at your approved matches BUT any/all of the match Directors operate their approved matches under these same rules under the "Known Ability" clause

B takes (2) A scores to more up to A
A (and all others) take (3) to move up


When you shoot a "Break Out" (a score 2 or more classes above your current class)you Automaticly move up to one class BELOW your score while the Score itself counts as your first leg into that higher class...

Example..

an "A" shooter shoots a master score.... He/she is now a AAA shooter and has 1 leg into Master...

Cluck Cluck...

[nomad]

AFAIK the 'Breakout' rule ONLY applies to registered matches and match directors cannot arbitrarily apply it.

Further, if a B class shooter shoots 2 AAA scores in sanctioned (non-registered) competition, AFAIK he moves up to AAA. If the scores are AA and AAA, then the move is up to AA. An A and a AAA would move him to A. Per 19.17.

'Known ability' is a gray area. I've only seen it applied when someone who is known to be consistently shooting scores in a particular classification forgot to bring a scorebook or lost his book and cannot show the necessary scores for proof of classification.
You could say that it is applied when, per 19.7, someone is discovered competing in a lower class than currently rated. However, if there is a score book and it shows the correct scores for a higher class, or if there is evidence that scores have been altered to a lower classification, then that is a question for the jury -- to determine whether there is deliberate cheating that justifies disqualification. In other cases, where there is no book presented and the competitor is not known to the match officials, then he should just be posted to Master class.

[slowstdy]

Hummm
Thanks Guys, so according to Ernie I am correct, but according to Dame Chicken George I'm not. A few of us read the rules last night and we think Ernie is right.
It would not be too important, but we have the PA states coming up in 2 weeks and this is the last time he can shoot, so we want him in the correct class.

[nomad]

My money's on Ernie!

[GeoNLR]

I have not looked at the rule book, but my $ would be on Earnie as well...LOL... I'm not real sure about the making it into AAA with only (2) scores shot line of thought, BUT I can see it being attached with the only needing 2 scores to move up from B class......

Cluck Cluck...

[slowstdy]

Ok. Looks like all the votes are in and..... Ernie has it.......I had no douts!
Thanks Guys

[GeoNLR]

[quote="slowstdy"]Can someone please confirm this?
A "B" class shooter shoots 2

[slowstdy]

Approved.

[Gator]

Rule 19.17 says:

[Jason]

Sorry, can't just totally agree with that. Since you didn't say it was a registered match, we can toss out the break out thing. For normal sanctioned matches, it just says it takes two scores to move up from B class, not that two scores can move you up to any class from B class. As far as the spirit of the rules, it just doesn't make sense that two AAA scores could move up up to AAA class from B class but it takes three AAA scores to move up to AAA class from AA class. Of course, this line of logic would only put him into A class with two legs into moving up again, and he'd be siting pretty to sweep the state matches in the class. I'd have to defer to Greg Connors for clarification on the rule, especially with a state match coming up.

[nomad]

Jason,

A little understanding of the reason for the breakout rule might help.

As I have the tale, many years ago, when the land was dark and cloudy, a shooter whose name shall go unmentioned -- but whose initials are Robert Massey lol -- showed up at a match with a classification just above "somebody explain to him how to load the gun" and then proceeded to whup EVERYBODY on the range. VERY quickly, there was a rule that immediately moved shooters with demonstrated abilities well above their classifications into the higher reaches.

With that in mind, it isn't hard to understand why someone showing up with a B classification and subsequently shooting dual AAAs would/should quickly be 'promoted' to the AAA class in which he had shown himself clearly capable of competing. (NOBODY shoots a B score and follows that up with 2 AAAs unless he's either deliberately screwing with peoples' minds or had a very unrealistic initial outing. In either case, he SHOULD be moved quickly into the class in which his scores are falling.)

Therefore, shoot a B for classification and then shoot 2 AAAs and you will go into AAA!

Can you justify allowing anyone clearly delivering AAA scores to move into any lower classification? (Even if the shooter shot a SEASON of B scores using something totally unsuited to the game -- an iron sighted rifle, maybe -- and then suddenly came up with a serious, scoped gun that allowed him to blossom into AAA, the argument would be that his skills had always been AAA but he had handicapped himself with the irons and so still justified a AAA classification with the proper equipment.)

Unless you LIKE being sandbagged, it isn't possible IMO to excuse anyone taking advantage of the classification system...

[Jason]

I totally agree with you here, Ernie. What would happen to that same individual who was in A class and shot two AAA scores, though? Shouldn't the same thing happen to an A class shooter that just busted out two AAA scores in a row?

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Let me give a more concrete example here. Let's say two master class smallbore silhouette shooters decide to try airgun silhouette one day and pick up a $39 Wal-mart special pellet gun to use on the way to the match. One manages to shoot himself barely into A class with it, but one just misses A class and gets classified as B class. They decide they like the event enough to buy fully tricked-out airguns and optics and have them all sighted in and read for the next match so they can get a couple matches under their belts before the state championships. That day and at the match the next weekend, they both shoot master class scores in each match. Which class will each be after the second match going into the state match? Which class should each be going into the state match?

[slowstdy]

Ernie, I knew if we stuck at it long enough we would end up agreeing on something, and to day is the day. I agree fully. Thanks.
Is there something in the rules about you can upgrade yourself to a higher class? Because that will work too. The shooter has only shot a springer 3 times, first time about 2 months ago with a screwed up gun and only shot 9, Hence