Is this a legal hunter stock??

sobrbiker883 · Post by **sobrbiker883** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:21 pm

I have a McMillan Master Silhouette that currently has my starter barreled action in it (308 LTR). Evelio will be barreling me another action in 7-08.
If I can make weight, is this a legal hunter stock or should I go another route for a one gun for both classes rifle........

I guess I'm looking to see if this stock would pass for a hunter gun at matches (I've been shooting it as standard, but can go back to a 2lb trigger):

Jason · Post by **Jason** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:16 pm

The definition of a hunter gun isn't exactly the most "black and white" set of rules out there, but I can say for sure that that stock wouldn't be allowed for hunter class at the matches that I attend. It doesn't seem anywhere near a standard hunting style stock to me. It looks very much like quite a lot of the standard class stocks on rifles that I see at matches. Keep in mind that this is just my opinion, and it's up to the match director (or jury if someone protests) at a match. I certainly wouldn't invest a lot of money planning on a barreled action in that stock being legal for both classes.

sobrbiker883 · Post by **sobrbiker883** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:05 am

Thanks Jason, that's pretty much what I was thinking. That is my rifle I've been shooting in Standard, so the investment is already made, I just have to invest more if I want to shoot Hunter if this stock won't fly.

I'd imagine the real crux of the issue is the last part of the last sentence of 3.1.1:
"the intent of this rule is to describe a common hunting rifle."

It has an ADL style mag box and all the other requirements, and with the manufacturers coming out with some interesting looking firearms these days, I think it would be closer to hunting style if the forearm was a little less blocky............

carl425 · Post by **carl425** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:33 pm

While you're not likely to see anything like this in the woods during deer season, that doesn't mean it's not legal for hunter class. I'm pretty sure that the only stock related thing legal in standard rifle that's not legal in hunter is a thumbhole.

I think the only restrictions for hunter class (beyond what's legal for standard) is weight, scope height, trigger pull, the tapered barrel, and no thumbhole.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:13 pm

That line about being a standard hunting style stock isn't just there as a guideline. It's actually a rule, if not a perfectly detailed one. You can't just take a standard class stock that meets the dimensional and weight requirements of hunter class and call it a hunter stock since it doesn't have a thumbhole.

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:43 pm

Is this one of those "Discretion of the Match Director" things? It isn't something I would set out to do, but if the only rifle I had was borderline and the choice was to give it a try or sit home, I'd try it. If the Director said no, that would be that and I'd shoot standard only or spot for someone else. No big thing.

Like I've said before, I'm in this for fun, not conflict. If I break a rule, it was an accident that I'll try to avoid in the future, but in the meantime I'll keep playing the best I can!

And by the way - Beautiful Rifle!

sobrbiker883 · Post by **sobrbiker883** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:24 pm

Well, I guess the right thing to do would be to have EMc order me a Pharr stock and have the same feeling gun for SB and HP.

Keep your eyes peeled for a McMillan Master Sillywet for a 700 SA to be up for sale soon........

sobrbiker883 · Post by **sobrbiker883** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:30 pm

And by the way blaubear, thanks! I got the stock from Paul, so its gotta be good looking, but I have a USMC turn in M40A1 stock that that LTR action would look great in too!!

carl425 · Post by **carl425** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:35 pm

Jason wrote:That line about being a standard hunting style stock isn't just there as a guideline. It's actually a rule, if not a perfectly detailed one. You can't just take a standard class stock that meets the dimensional and weight requirements of hunter class and call it a hunter stock since it doesn't have a thumbhole.

What is the characteristic of the stock in the photo that you believe makes illegal for hunter class? The Pharr stocks sure don't look like a "common hunting rifle" and I know they're legal in hunter.

sobrbiker883 · Post by **sobrbiker883** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:10 pm

The input I've heard so far is that the pistol grip on a hunter gun may not be straight, like the McM, must have a curve to it, and that the forearm is too much of a target style vs. hunter style.

My pictured stock, I've been told wouldn't be allowed at the Nationals in Hunter, and would be subject to challenges as a Hunter class at sanctioned matches.

I do now recall Expilot's boy (the current SB Hunter Champ) saying "no way" when I asked him on the line one day last year..........

sobrbiker883 · Post by **sobrbiker883** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:13 pm

I guess my question is now a moot point, as I will be going EMc2-building a 7-08 twin for the SB gun he's putting together now.........

Look for the blue standard stock in the marketplace soon........

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:47 pm

Off topic, but is Evelio dominating this sport?

sobrbiker883 · Post by **sobrbiker883** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:58 pm

He's coming on strong here (at least with the internet savvy shooters).

Locally there are some good guys that do lots of rebarreling and such for our Master class shooters, and I was thinking of going that route, but Senor McD has such a good rep and seemed to be the go to smith for Pharr stocks (even a shooter I know that has Mark do his gun said E would get it done in 1/4 or less the time).

I am a pure tinkerer, but there will be two rifle I will probably not mess with, and those'll be my EMc2..........except maybe if I have ejection issues, but then I'll need to find a soda can that matches the orange and black better than a DrPepper can