Where to get custom torsion springs?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:14 pm
The hammer spring broke on one of my Marlin 57s and I put off buying it from Numrich until I had time to make an inventory of other parts to order with it. Now that I have that, the hammer spring is out of stock. I did find them at Ponderosa Parts, but he wants $15+ each plus shipping for them and only takes checks or money orders mailed to him for payment as opposed to $6.45 from Numrich who takes online orders with a credit card. I also have a Marlin 57M that a hammer spring that's obviously not getting the job done well anymore, so I'd be buying at least two plus shipping. Then I would have to wait on a check to get there and be held 10 days before he ships or go to the post office to get a money order and then wait on it to get there and him to ship the springs to me. After either of those scenarios, I'd have 50-year-old springs that I have no idea how much use they got. It occurred to me that it would be a lot better idea to buy new manufacture piano wire springs, which would be both newer technology and not have an unknown 50-year history. It turns out that buying new ones is easier said than done, though. Those springs are basically just torsion springs with a bit of a tweak on each leg that I could put into the springs myself, but I'm having a surprisingly hard time finding just the base torsion springs. Hopefully someone here can help me find a source for them.
They are made of wire that's 0.052" diameter and there are just short of eight right hand twist coils, with the leg positions at about 280 degrees (i.e.- legs in free position are about 80 degrees apart on the same side of the coil). The body of the coil is about .452" long, but I could probably fit up to around 0.50" in there if necessary, as there is some room between the sideplates, but I wouldn't want to put pressure that would cause the spring to drag on the sideplate. The outside diameter of the coil is about 0.320" and the inside diameter is about 0.216" or so, and I could probably fit up to 0.420" or so for outside diameter in the space the spring sits in. The pin that it sits around is tiny compared to that inside diameter, so it could be smaller than that but I don't think that's likely based on what I've seen so far. Each leg is about 1.67" long. There's enough clearance in the groove of the hammer to fit at least 0.055" or thicker wire. All of that means that I need a right-hand twist torsion spring made of 0.046 to 0.055" wire with max coil length of 0.50", max outside diameter of 0.420", free position of legs anywhere from 270 to 320 degrees (possibly even 360 for music wire) and legs at least 1.67" long. I'd prefer music wire over chrome silicon or stainless for this application, but would probably take what I could get. I'd also prefer for the legs to be a bit longer to make it easier to put little curve on the end of one of them, of which I could cut the excess off later.
Now.. with all that that (possibly unnecessary to answer the question) said, does anyone know of a place I can get a fairly specific torsion spring like that, hopefully without having to pay the labor cost of custom making them? Surely there's some other application in the world for such a spring so someone already makes them. If I do have to go custom, where would be a good place to go? I wouldn't actually mind paying more for new manufacturer torsion springs than I'd have to pay for the original Marlin springs from Poderosa.
They are made of wire that's 0.052" diameter and there are just short of eight right hand twist coils, with the leg positions at about 280 degrees (i.e.- legs in free position are about 80 degrees apart on the same side of the coil). The body of the coil is about .452" long, but I could probably fit up to around 0.50" in there if necessary, as there is some room between the sideplates, but I wouldn't want to put pressure that would cause the spring to drag on the sideplate. The outside diameter of the coil is about 0.320" and the inside diameter is about 0.216" or so, and I could probably fit up to 0.420" or so for outside diameter in the space the spring sits in. The pin that it sits around is tiny compared to that inside diameter, so it could be smaller than that but I don't think that's likely based on what I've seen so far. Each leg is about 1.67" long. There's enough clearance in the groove of the hammer to fit at least 0.055" or thicker wire. All of that means that I need a right-hand twist torsion spring made of 0.046 to 0.055" wire with max coil length of 0.50", max outside diameter of 0.420", free position of legs anywhere from 270 to 320 degrees (possibly even 360 for music wire) and legs at least 1.67" long. I'd prefer music wire over chrome silicon or stainless for this application, but would probably take what I could get. I'd also prefer for the legs to be a bit longer to make it easier to put little curve on the end of one of them, of which I could cut the excess off later.
Now.. with all that that (possibly unnecessary to answer the question) said, does anyone know of a place I can get a fairly specific torsion spring like that, hopefully without having to pay the labor cost of custom making them? Surely there's some other application in the world for such a spring so someone already makes them. If I do have to go custom, where would be a good place to go? I wouldn't actually mind paying more for new manufacturer torsion springs than I'd have to pay for the original Marlin springs from Poderosa.