http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiavoHy9Zgw&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRgZWWfp ... re=related

remindes me of lots people but luckly only a few on here but here was a fellow which i will leave nameless at st. louis high power reg. last year that seemed to have forgotten to put powder between the primer and bullets in few loads very experiaced fellow he was but even that little magicial br case needs powder