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Ammunition Accountability Act
Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:21 pm
by Bob259
Looks like we all need to keep a close eye on this and start writing to your representatives if your state is considering this law.
Here are a few excerpts for you to ponder and make you want to read the whole article....
.......Ammunition Accountability Act is suddenly a legitimate threat. New York, Pennsylvania and so far 16 other states have enacted legislation -- in each case with virtually identical wording to the nationally lobbied Ammunition Accountability Act -- that would mandate the engraving of a unique serial number on the base of each handgun and "assault weapon" bullet and an identical number on the cartridge's case. The act calls for dealers of this "encoded ammunition" to record the purchaser's name, birth date, drivers license number, etc.
All non-encoded ammunition must be disposed of prior to Jan. 1, 2011. The database and other expenses involved would be paid for by a special tax of a half-cent per round of ammunition sold.........
For that 80 percent figure to be true, it must include .22LR ammunition, since rimfire sales volume just about equals all centerfire calibers combined. Since hunting and competition handguns of various forms can be chambered for a wide variety of centerfire rifle cartridges, the potential list of ammunition affected is gigantic.
This could very well mean the end of reloading for HP too.
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
And a recent Dave Henderson column
http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20 ... 05/OPINION
Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:55 pm
by BlauBear
Can't say this is surprising since liberals misinterpret voter rejection of the current administration as a blanket endorsement of their agenda. It will cost them in the congressional elections in two years, provided Republicans get their act together by then, but there are some fights coming in the mean time.
This legislation is nonsense because the term "assault weapon" is so vague it can't survive a legal challenge, and the authors probably know this. Watch out for a hook in this worm.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:24 am
by Dee
"All non-encoded ammunition must be disposed of prior to Jan. 1, 2011"
How about we dispose of all the politicians before then? Problem solved.
As for this being state by state how exactly will that work when it comes to the manufacturers of ammo. Will they have special ammo for each state? What about frangible ammo how will you get a serial number off it once fired?
What about someone going to the range and picking up a handful of various different serial numbered cases then commiting a crime and dumping those cases on the ground. Do you think they will worry about matching the serial number off the bullet to the cases or just go out and arrest everyone who had a case in their name left at the scene?
Dee
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:47 am
by malinois
I wil let you all fill in the blanks about how I would love to dispose of my un-registered ammo.....
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:47 pm
by Bob259
Time has come fellas - contact your representatives - tell'em hell NO
Ammunition Accountability Act....
Subject: Ammunition Accountability Act
The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana) requires all ammunition to be
encoded by the manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy
and what calibers. Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.
Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.)
They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or
more! If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!
This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois,
Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,
South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.
To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state,
go to:
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
Ammunition Accountability Act
SAMPLE LEGISLATION
An ACT relating to firearms and ammunition; requiring [AGENCY] to establish a statewide database to track
coded ammunition manufactured and sold for handguns and assault rifles.
Section 1. Legislative Findings.
The State Legislature hereby finds the following: Each year in the United States, more than 30% of all homicides
that involve a gun go unsolved. Handgun ammunition accounts for 80% of all ammunition sold in the United States.
Current technology for matching a bullet used in a crime to the gun that fired it has worked moderately well for years,
but presupposes that the weapon was recovered by law enforcement. Bullet coding is a new and effective way for law
enforcement to quickly identify persons of interest in gun crime investigations.
Section 2. Definitions.
For purposes of this chapter, "coded ammunition" means a bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by
etching onto the base of the bullet projectile.
Section 3. Prohibition on possession or sale of non-coded ammunition.
1. All handgun and assault weapon ammunition manufactured or sold in the state after January 1, 2009, shall be coded
by the manufacturer.
a. The calibers covered by the coding requirement shall include:
- .
2. No later than January 1, 2011, all non-coded ammunition for the
calibers listed in this chapter, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets, must be disposed.
Section 4. Authority to establish an Ammunition Coding Database.
1. [AGENCY] shall be responsible for establishing and maintaining an Ammunition Coding Database
(ACD) containing the following information:
a. Manufacturer registry - Manufacturers shall:
i. Register with [AGENCY] in a manner prescribed by the department through rule; and
ii. Maintain records on the business premises for a period of seven years concerning all sales, loans,
and transfers of ammunition, to, from, or within the state.
b. Vendor registry - Vendors shall
i. Register with [AGENCY] in a manner prescribed by the department through rule; and
ii. Record the following information in a format prescribed by the [AGENCY]:
a. The date of the transaction.
b. The name of the transferee.
c. The purchaser's driver's license number or other government issued identification card number.
d. The date of birth of the purchaser.
e. The unique identifier of all handgun ammunition or bullets transferred.
f. All other information prescribed by [AGENCY].
iii. Maintain records on the business premises for a period of three years
from the date of the recorded purchase.
2. To the greatest extent possible or practical, the ACD shall be built within the framework of existing
firearms databases. The ACD shall be operational no later than January 1, 2009.
3. Privacy of individuals is of the utmost importance. Access to information in the ACSD is reserved for
key law enforcement personnel and to be released only in connection with a criminal investigation.
NEW SECTION: Section 5. Penalties
1. Any vendor that willfully fails to comply with, or falsifies the records required to be kept by this bill is
guilty of a public offense punishable by imprisonment not to exceed one year, and a fine of $1,000.
2. Any manufacturer that fails to comply with the provisions of this section shall be liable for a civil fine of
not more than one $1,000 for a first violation, not more than five $5,000 for a second violation, and not
more $10,000 for a third and subsequent violation.
3. Any person who willfully destroys, obliterates, or otherwise renders unreadable, the serialization required
pursuant to this bill, on any bullet or assembled ammunition is punishable by imprisonment not to exceed one
year, and a fine of $1,000.
NEW SECTION: Section 6. Funding.
1. Establishing and maintaining the ACD shall be funded by an end-user fee not to exceed [COST NUMBER,
ESTIMATED AT $0.005 PER BULLET OR ROUND OF AMMUNITION].
2. There is hereby established the Coded Ammunition Fund for deposit of the enduser fees described in this
section. Moneys in the fund, upon appropriation, shall be available to the [AGENCY] for infrastructure,
implementation, operational, enforcement, and future development costs of this chapter.
3. Ammunition manufacturers based within this state may submit a one-time tax credit application for cost of
purchasing ammunition coding equipment. All applications must be submitted by January 1, 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:19 pm
by BlauBear
Correction Bob: The fee is $0.005 per round, not .05. Still ridiculous, we just don't need to discredit ourselves with typos.
You are correct that this would have to recognize .22LR as handgun ammunition to meet the bills' objectives, so the authors are either poorly informed or know exactly what they're doing and trying to slip past ignorant legislators. It's a pretty crude, so I have to wonder what they're trying to distract us from.
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:34 pm
by Bob259
I saw that BB, but I just posted what I had received and figured when you read the article it would be clearer. Funny part is in the paper here it was posted as .05 per round too. Either way it sucks and seeing the 6.5x47 would require $56.00+ per 20 rounds for factory ammo is not a pretty thought.
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:42 pm
by BlauBear
Not pretty at all. Any clue who sponsored the web site or legislation? As noted, it's so poorly written I'm still suspicious of other agendas. Supreme Court justices react badly when you challenge their authority, even if they disagree with the decision you're trying to end-run.
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:52 pm
by BlauBear
Ah - found it. The website was created by the patent holders on the marking technology (
http://www.seattleweekly.com/2008-03-05 ... ullets.php), which also explains the amateurish writing.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:45 am
by Bob259
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:35 am
by Gator
Bob259 wrote:[This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois,
Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,
South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington. [/color][/b]
Add Georgia to the list this week.
ammunition accountability act
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:22 pm
by glen ring
Hey Bob
Has any of these bills been voted on yet, or have they just been presented in those states?
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:35 am
by Bob259
Not sure Glen, I believe they were just presented and will be coming up for vote from the way I read different articles on it.