Yet another 10/22 Shooter

[ppkny]

Bringing a 10/22 to a silhouette match is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. If you just want to be different you can spend all that money and time tinkering but when it all said and done you'll still have a 10/22 that recoils and does all the other funny things an auto does.
And please don't mention that Troy won the Nationals with one. We're talking about Troy Lawton who could shoot a barrel and action attached to a piece of wood and win.
Buy yourself a nice bolt action gun and be done with it.

[Irish764]

I have just purchased a CZ 452 Lux (a bolt gun) and shot it side-by-side from a bench against my Ruger with nothing more than a Whistle Pig 18" barrel added to the Ruger. The recoil difference was immedately noticeable (something I had not considered) but the Ruger still outshot the CZ.

Granted...this wasn't a controlled Apples to Apples comparison and I'm sure that an Anschutz "out of the box" will outshoot both of them.

But...as I said early on...I LIKE to tinker with guns and the 10-22 is a tinker's dream....

I'll draw a comparison that I almost posted a few nights ago but decided against...however, the post by ppkny brings it back to mind:

I own an American Quarter Horse. I show her every once in a while and we do "Pretty Darn Good" on a good day and "OK" on average. I've regulary competed against riders/horses that have big name trainers and big name pedigrees....I've beaten some and I've lost to some. However, I'd rather take a second place on a horse I trained than 100 1st place ribbons on a horse I've paid someone else to train....that's just my mentality.

Same goes here...I'd rather take a string of 3rds, 4ths and 5ths (if they even go that deep) with a gun I "tweaked" or "built" on my own than to drop a grand and half on something that'll drive tacks right out of the box. Let's face it...very few of us here are in this for the money!! For me, as was stated earlier in this thread, the journey is what makes the desitination worthwhile.

Will I ever own a legendary Anschutz????...probably. Will it kill me to keep shooting and tweaking my little ol' Ruger....not in the least!!!

Anyway....just mo dho pingini's worth (That's for the Irish shooters on this board!!)

[sobrbiker883]

I just got the sillywet bug last year. Took my almost stock 10/22T to a local match and had a blast. Within two weeks I had it in a Fajen Silhouette stock, 3 point and pillar bedded with a Weaver KT15 on it. It shoots like a house on fire. RFC.com input has me down to a 1.5# trigger pull and it fits great. Before the next match I traded a Ruger 357 for a Savage Anschutz Mark10D that got a Weaver T24 and became my standard gun. Fast forward a couple of months, and I now had a CZ Silhouette that I bedded and tweaked the trigger to a crisp 2.2 for hunter class. Now I have 3 smallbore sillywet guns and my old 10/22 will still shoot better than I can.
So what did I do? Last week took delivery of a Anschutz 64 Metallic Silhouette Repeater.........
Scary part? I still look at 1712's and say I just need one of those in a Pharr stock for both classes!

Welcome to the obsession.

[Worker 11811]

Some people either forget or don't care about this but I think a 10/22 is a good gun to take ownership of. It's not just the idea that one can pay money and buy a gun and own it in the physical sense but in a deeper philosophical way.

I bought the gun more than 15 years ago but, over time, I replaced the barrel, upgraded the stock, bought a good scope and found a good machinist who knows how to headspace the bolt and tune the action.

I practically know every part of this gun down to the last tiny little spring that holds the extractor in place. I know most of the things that make it shoot well and many of the reasons why it does not.

I take pride in ownership of this gun because I put a lot of myself into building it. It's a lot like guys who work on their own car. Some say that you don't really OWN a car until you've been elbows deep in the engine compartment, trying to make that last adjustment to get it running just the way you want it to.

I can say the same thing about my gun. It shoots just the way I want it to because I worked on it to make it that way.

I know its limitations. After all, it is a semi-auto. You an only push that envelope so far.

No matter how much you work on it, should you ever expect your Ford Taurus to compete favorably on a NASCAR track? Neither should you expect your 10/22 to compete shot-for-shot in a benchrest match against an Anschutz.

On the other hand, dime-sized groups from 50 yards coming out of a 10/22 ain't half bad! Is it?

If I really put some time, effort and money into it, I'm reasonably certain I could get those groups down well under 1/2" and even to approach 1/4".
I also know, if I was to attempt something like that, it would not be easy. It would have to be a task I do "just because."

I know that I could probably buy a new gun for about the same money I'd spend tweaking my 10/22 and, it about a weekend's worth of working on it having it shoot that well, almost "right out of the box."

Bottom line: If you're willing to put some time and effort and money into the project you can make a mighty fine shootin' iron out of a 10/22. If you work at it, you might even be able to win a match or two. But, if you do this, you'll do it because the task is its own reward and NOT because you think you can build a top notch gun out of a "Wally World Special."

[Irish764]

OH NO!!!.....I just read that ported barrels are a "no-no"!!!! I just mounted a ported Whistle Pig on my Ruger!!!! Crap!!!

Please tell me that I'm misreading the rules...PLEASE tell me there is at least one class of Silhouette that allows ported barrels...Please, Please!!

There's a shoot this weekend but there's no way I can get a non-ported barrel delivered in time!!!

[Dee]

Ok your mis-reading the rules ... Feel better now that I lied to you? I am not the final word on the rules but I am pretty sure no porting is allowed. IIRC they have a special loophole for Brownings with the permanantly attached porting/muzzle flip tuner thingy but besides that no porting or breaks are allowed. I am sure someone who reads the rules everynight before bed will correct me if I am wrong but I think that your reading it correctly.

Just wrap some duct tape over the holes and your set

Sorry you found out about that little rule the hard way. I would think if your not shooting in anything other than a local match they might let you slide with the porting, unless of course you win the match. If your new to the game I don't think it will help you much anyway if at all.


Dee

[shakes]

Bringing a 10/22 to a silhouette match is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. If you just want to be different you can spend all that money and time tinkering but when it all said and done you'll still have a 10/22 that recoils and does all the other funny things an auto does.
And please don't mention that Troy won the Nationals with one. We're talking about Troy Lawton who could shoot a barrel and action attached to a piece of wood and win.
Buy yourself a nice bolt action gun and be done with it.

You sound a little jaded on the subject, did someone with a supernice tricked out 10/22 that costs more than your bolt gun beat you at a match?

[ppkny]

Not in the least. A lot of people beat me.

[Irish764]

Well, I've called Louis at the WPGB Company...I'll have a non-ported version here within 48 hours, mounted shortly after that and shooting shortly after that...

Anybody want to buy a Whistle Pig, 18" Black to Gunmetal fade WITH ports?!??!!

[Travelor]

I know of at least four 10/22's that will be at the Arkansas State Match this weekend. My wife has just started shooting RF silhouette and has moved up to AAA and has 2 of the 4 legs of 10 straight shooting her 10/22. She shoots her 10/22 consistently better than her Anschutz 1712.

And yes, they ended up costing probably as much as the 1712's, but they are such a hoot to shoot. Only thing Ruger now is the receiver and a much modified bolt. I think the key to getting a 10/22 competitive is reducing the lock time and the KIDD trigger seems to be the very best answer to that issue currently available.

Hope to see everyone there.

Remember, have at least a little fun every day as it is costing you one day of your life.

[jneihouse]

One great thing about this sport is that, through the classification process it is always more about the "indian than the arrow"....That said let me say this....I love pretty and interesting guns...And to me, pretty means built to my taste and interesting means accurate.....The difference between the top of the line customs in this sport and a CZ or a 10-22 is about the same difference as between a Nextel Cup car and a dirt tracker. I could be-labor that comparison and you may argue with it, but the folks that shoot the high level customs will think nothing of swapping out an olympic class barrel for one that is more expensive and holds the potential for 1 or 2 more targets. Not that 1 or 2 more targets will make much of a difference over a lifetime, but it's fun to play the game and it keeps us off the streets. Like the Nextel Cup teams most of us have a stable of rifles that are nearly duplicates (always need a backup, you know) or are highly specilized. That's part of the fun......Lot's of people (my brother is one of them) loves the challenge of building that dirt tracker to the limit of the rules and getting the most out of it....Myself, I've never liked working on race cars....Or race guns....I'd rather let the experts do their thing and let me shoot.....There is room for everyone in the sport.....Shoot what you can afford or what you like....be proud of it and push it to the very limit of it's potential....After all, there's not very many of us that are making a living from this game, so we are all pretty much shooting for fun....But do try to avoid that old trap.. "MY (fill in the blank) will outshoot any (name your brand) on any given day".....Hang around long enough and you will understand. It was my priviledge to spot/coach Cathy Winstead (pre Winstead-Severin) in Jacksonville Fla this past April at Chuck Deeson's Sunshine Classic. Cathy's hunter gun broke twice, costing her an alibi the first time and 3 targets the second. The wind came up big time, fishtailing and blowing every which way....We pulled a box stock 1712 off the rack to finish the match and she not only shot the gun nearly perfectly, but made up a big deficiet on turkeys in the howling wind to win.......Champions rise to the challenge, the rest just make excuses for failure.

Kitty


Kitty

[Bob259]

Well said Kitty.....

[jbattman]

Bringing a 10/22 to a silhouette match is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. If you just want to be different you can spend all that money and time tinkering but when it all said and done you'll still have a 10/22 that recoils and does all the other funny things an auto does.
And please don't mention that Troy won the Nationals with one. We're talking about Troy Lawton who could shoot a barrel and action attached to a piece of wood and win.
Buy yourself a nice bolt action gun and be done with it.

The '07 Midsouth Classic was my first "Big" match as this is my first year in sillhouette. I have been shooting my custom 10/22 in our club matches all year and with a "21/40" as my best score. But I must say that I was pretty intimidated by the hardware that everyone else brought to the match. I figured everyone thought as PPKNY does, so I hid my little ruger in the truck and shot both days with my inferior Norinco. My scores sucked, and I may be done with silhouette all together. If it really takes a high dollar Annie to compete, then I'm out.
Yeah, I probably have $700-$800 or so tied up in the 10/22, but a part here and a piece there is alot easier to pay for little by little. Most of yall have scopes that cost more than my whole rig.

[Jim Beckley]

Mr. Battman, don't jump ship yet! When I started shooting silhouettes I didn't shoot smallbore all I shot was high power. I started with a plain old deer rifle a Winchester 70 in .308. Then a butt ugly Remington 788 in .308. When I did start shooting small bore I bought an old Savage-Anschutz 64 in a beat to hell 3 position stock that I shot for a couple of years in standard class. Just shoot what you have, or if you show some interest in the sport, I am willing to bet just about anything that if you furnish your ammo, someone will be more than glad to let you shoot their rifle. The first HP match that I shot I hit a total of 4, and I was hooked.

[Bob259]

Bringing a 10/22 to a silhouette match is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. If you just want to be different you can spend all that money and time tinkering but when it all said and done you'll still have a 10/22 that recoils and does all the other funny things an auto does.
And please don't mention that Troy won the Nationals with one. We're talking about Troy Lawton who could shoot a barrel and action attached to a piece of wood and win.
Buy yourself a nice bolt action gun and be done with it.

The '07 Midsouth Classic was my first "Big" match as this is my first year in sillhouette. I have been shooting my custom 10/22 in our club matches all year and with a "21/40" as my best score. But I must say that I was pretty intimidated by the hardware that everyone else brought to the match. I figured everyone thought as PPKNY does, so I hid my little ruger in the truck and shot both days with my inferior Norinco. My scores sucked, and I may be done with silhouette all together. If it really takes a high dollar Annie to compete, then I'm out.
Yeah, I probably have $700-$800 or so tied up in the 10/22, but a part here and a piece there is alot easier to pay for little by little. Most of yall have scopes that cost more than my whole rig.

Jbattman, It's NOT the rifle it's the shooter. I believe the intent of that reply from PPKNY was that if you were going to spend a lot of money you might be better served with the Annie... but 10-22's have won their share of matches so do not get discourged or hid your 10-22. Dig it out and shoot it proudly and smile when you beat the others knowing that a rifle you built yourself beat what is reguarded as the best in the business!!!! Take it as a personal challenge to prove them wrong and watch your scores!! Oh, and PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE.