No problem here, Marv, and I am disappointed at missing a chance to get one of your rifles. Skilled 'smiths are rare - north, south, east or west.

Double B...you have not missed your chance to have a custom rifle built by me...I'm still the Metalhead doing all of the machine work on said custom rifles and fabricating all of the associated parts.

Receiver and bolt truing on high power guns, action threading on Anschutz receivers, barrel instalations, barrel fluting, custom ring assemblies in a wide array of heights with tapered bases, , custom bottom metals for a wide array of actions, custom trigger guards, , fancy ass trigger shoes for 1712's in a couple of widths, Anschutz 5022 trigger instalations on high power rifles, Lever style bolt stop intalations on high power actions, custom action screws, etc., etc., etc.

It's just that anymore, The stock work slows down the machine shop process for me. I now have another very very skilled local guy that is doing the final stock assembly work for me. He loves the work and I can concentrate on the machines....Kind of like Terminator III ? the rise of the machines ? ...It's a great arrangement.

So look on the bright side Double B....all ya gotta do is Buck Up Dude and be willing to wait your turn in line...M.

Funny, one thing that makes this sport so bloody interesting is the opportunity to get to know shooters coast to coast. Silhouette13 is a good guy who is kinda like me about 8 years ago trying to figure out what is going on in the sport. To his credit, he is focusing on the 1/5th size animals...or as I call it, the real SB game. None of this 36-39 cowboy stuff :0 That should get the natives excited.

But seriously, Dave, Marv, others, realize that some of the folks on this board are newbies and may not be "behind the berm" types who are honestly trying to sort the wheat from the chaff. I know, the questions are somewhat repetitive. But, we need to get newbies just as obsessed as we are...or at least I am time permitting.

NH/NY is an interesting region. Unlike the regions where so many of the avid posters come from, it is not 85% Anschutz. I went to a match where folks were shooting tweaked 10/22s, Savages, 10/77, Marlin bolt actions, etc etc. Scopes, maybe 1 or 2 Leupolds, no Weavers. In the North East, it is the Wild West so to speak.

So, ya, Coopers, Anschutz/Savage, Thompsons, (local mfg) Sako, etc etc. There are only two of us using the 54 action that if I was a betting man, 90% of the guns at Pe Ell this year were built on 54 actions?? Then there are the lock time kings with 581/541s which is new turf for me but not even a consideration in the North East. Some here think anything more than $500 for a rimfire requires a visit to a local shrink. But they cost even more. So, folks post here in hopes of learning as there ain't no bleeding edge equipment showing up at matches to learn from. One Pharr stocked gun came over from NY once. But the rest of what you talk about requires a high degree of imagination.

So, consider the audience. I try to share what I know but so many of you out there will forget more than I will ever know or even attempt to understand. Went to a Wed night event tonight and worked with new recruits. Just learning that not all .22 ammo is the same and the importance of finding the right ammo for 100m and sticking with it is my evangelical effort. 10,000 rounds minimum for the next few months of one ammo and be done with it. Save gas, save time, shoot well!

Dave, Marv, others, keep us North East guys up to date on what is happening where the real shooters shoot! That's why I like Pe Ell. I learn stuff!

See ya!

JD

Mr. Judd...Moving from the great state of TX to NH...geeze, what a culture shock.

You sir have an incredable talent for shooting. You're a lot like Dave I ....Travel across the country, go borrow a rifle you have never shot before, get squaded with someone you have never met ..and take home some of the coolest solid aluminum ram trophys I have ever made.

I'm thinking that for guys like you and Dave, a wrist rocket and a couple of eggs of silly putty will put you into master class at any big match you travel to...and I'm talkin' high power here Bro......M.

Good information, JD! It

No "Real shooters" in the northeast? Anyone who attends a match be it with a length of gas pipe mounted onto an old piece of shipping crate using a spring tab and bolt head for a trigger or the latest fad gun should be commended. Don't MF anyone who attends a silo match and most of all don't talk down at them in a public forum if their idea of fun shooting does not align with yours. Some areas of the country might have a higher density of Master class shooters but anyone who picks up a rifle and attempts even a cowboy sized target silo match is a "real shooter." Elitism only destroys a sport.

There is another thread with a guy wanting his son to try silo and the kids is apparently a bit timid and worried about being chastised for not doing well. Replies about how TFU and backwards the shooters in the northeast are will do nothing to encourage people to try and stick with silo. Elitist remarks only reinforce the kids image of silo matches as unfriendly.

Working with novices and loaning expensive equipment is fantastic and and I hold those who make these efforts to introduce the sport in high regard. When a new silo enthusiast read comments about using inferior gear, not being up to date with technology, or worst of all not having the skills, the efforts made in person on the range can be eroded thus losing another potential enthusiast.

I've sort of promised myself NOT to argue on the 'net.

That said:
Kevin, your comments re Jud's post are out of line -- and reflect a pretty thin skin.

As a former Mainer, I know that silhouette is practically non-existent in New England and it's not invalid at all to say that there are very few 'Real' silhouette shooters up there. (You could, of course, educate us by mentioning a few folks from up that way who regularly make themselves known at major silhouette venues?)

I also know that Jud has purchased several dedicated silhouette rifles SPECIFICALLY to have loaners available for new shooters -- so they can feel more properly equipped and less 'disadvantaged' when starting out.

AND, he works hard and regularly to conduct matches, improve range facilites and recruit competitors.

AND he travels extensively to compete at the top matches...and to work with, watch, and learn from, the best shooters in the sport.

I know all this because I've watched both his development and his efforts to promote the sport ever since his first match...when I loaned him my silhouette rifle so he could get involved.

Perhaps you could tell us just how many new shooters you've recruited, how much equipment you provide free-of-charge at matches for newbies to use, how many match programs you have put together and conducted in order to promote silhouette, how many days you've spent on range maintenance or construction and how far you travel to compete -- and learn -- before you start getting all hyper about what was nothing more than a slightly impolitic remark on Jud's part...?

hi kevin where in VT are you, are there any matches in VT? are you the guy who bought a wetherby xxii?

also , I am sure Jud is not intending to insult any one- he is a true proponent of the smallbore game - immensly helpful and encouraging. his communication style may sound harsh but he is from texas,what do ya want THE NORTHEAST RULES!!!!!
i belive he sounds judgy out of frustration that we in the norteast dont embrace the TRUE rimfire game- club rifle as we know it dont exist anywhere else- it is great to get people into the sport, john livingston created the class so people could try it out and progress into sb shooters,it is also intended so non nra members have a chance to shoot without a book. there are no equipment rules for club you run what ya brung.the frustration comes from folks not wanting to go from 33/40 score to 7/40 in sb. to me thats where the fun is.Club rifle is a fun diversion but it is really not sb silo.
we should temper what is said to keep the new guys from getting scared off-which in a round about way is what Jud was saying.

kevin e-mail me [email protected] perhaps we can get together and toss some lead

I as Nomad try to keep my disagreements behind the beam or face to face but I cannot condone or simply walk away from your comments Kevin.

Judd has to be one of the best competitors and promoters of this sport. I have competed and talked with him on several occasions and he has nothing but true concern and drive to bring new shooters to this game.
His comment about the 3/8 th scale is spot on and it has devastated more than one SB silhouette program in my area. I understand and agree with his views on trying to phase these matches out but in doing so the attendance suffers to the point that is not a viable program anymore. I wish that I had a fix action for this but as of this date I have never seen a workable solution. To the statement of elitism I would dare say you have never met or really talked to Judd. That term or phrase would never enter your mind, now maybe humble and genuinely passionate about this sport would but not the term elite.

I in no way am trying to turn this into a urinating contest I am just wanting to support one of the fine contributing members of the great sport.

BTW there is a post here called Equipment... Who needs custom rifles? (Tongue in cheek). I think that the content of this will more than prove that 90% of this sport is between the ears. Judd has both his mind and heart in the right place as far as this subject and the sport is concerned.

Well said Dawg!!!!

Kevin6q,

I wanted to add to my comment that you are more than welcome to e-mail me or PM me. I have in the past and will in the future, stepped on people

Bob259 wrote:Well said Dawg!!!!

Just trying to be civil for once in my life.

FYI, Jud is not from Texas... He spent some quality time here, but like some other transplants his job, then other job, moved him back to the North East. The question is what to do with the transplants that come to Texas and steal Texas women...then stay.
C-Ya,
Charlie

Jud is actually what Mainers refer to as a 'Masshole', born and bred. lol (There's a reason why folks on the north side of the river keep suggesting that the Kittery bridge be demolished!)

TXCharlie, I refuse to dignify that with a response! (But, it wouldn't be remiss to mention that you 'could' just start treating those transplants as the fine, upstanding, beneficial additions to Texas that they so often are...)

wow , you guys are funny! i actually knew jud was from mass, my oversight. wow again ,jud seems to be highly regarded by some one else but me,(my wife thinks he is pointing me down a dark and expensive path) wow again ernie your from maine? you seem to have all your teeth too. kidding kidding, we have met and any mentor of juds is a great grandpa mentor to me!

best regards ernie

dave