NRA requirement that state championships must sanction through state org if you have one.

Most of us can understand the need to do this so there will not be multiple matches or by clubs that can't handle it.
The discussion is about how other states orgs handle it.
If there is no state org how does it work?How well?
1.Does your state org encourage state championships?
a.Is a representative present?
b.Provide awards?
c. Advertisement?
d. Seek clubs to hold championships?
e. Financial support?
f. Discount match fee if member?
g. Other?
The next question is aimed at the possibility that the state org actually hampers state championships.
All states please voice your experience.
1.How does your state actually hinder the match?
a.Match fees?
b.Club fees?
c.membership requirement?
d.Non resident can't be state champion?
e.Excessive mandates to match director?
f.Other?
What are some of you traveling shooters experiences at other states?
This post is not to cast stones on any particular state org.
Just a curiosity of what is working and what is not.
Thanks.

These are my observations of state clubs and silhouette shooting. Can't really speak to other shooting events but they do nothing for us.

If there is no state org how does it work?How well?
1.Does your state org encourage state championships?

I imagine they would encourage it. I would hope so. But do they actively try to make state championships in all the shooting sports, not at all.
a.Is a representative present?
Nope
b.Provide awards?
Nope - They might send you a State Championship pin to give to competitors for the match but that is the same pin they give to all state events that year. Go to SB and HP state and get two of the same pins lol.
c. Advertisement?
They might put it on the website. Beyond that nothing that I know of.
d. Seek clubs to hold championships?
Not that I am aware of they just wait for clubs to volunteer or offer so that a State match will be held at all.
e. Financial support?
wait let me catch my breath....... um Nope.
f. Discount match fee if member?
Nope again and in fact you must be a member to even participate so if anything it provides the Association more money.
g. Other?
Nope nothing other to report.


The next question is aimed at the possibility that the state org actually hampers state championships.
All states please voice your experience.
1.How does your state actually hinder the match?
I wouldn't say they do anything to hinder the match with the exception of requiring out of state shooters going to shoot another states championship is usually required to also be a member of the state they are just visiting.
a.Match fees?
They don't request a per shooter fee that I am aware of but as noted in the last answer they can run up the cost of match fees to those wanting to travel to your state to shoot.
b.Club fees?
Not that I am aware of.
c.membership requirement?
As mentioned above yes many require this even for out of state shooters who may only shoot a few hundred rounds in the state and be gone. This requirement is one that HIGHLY PISSES ME OFF!!! If you are lucky enough to have people willing to travel to another damn state to attend a match you should feel blessed that they are spending their time and money to do so. NOT feel like your state association just hit bingo and picked up some more cash for doing absolutely nothing off the out of state shooters. I mean what better way to get people to travel then to hit them with an additional cost on top of travel and room costs and entry fees along with all the little expenses of traveling. I would think just being a member of your local state association and the NRA would be plenty and that all club associations should be reciprocal between states for these events.
d.Non resident can't be state champion?
I have heard of this and I think it is stupid and again doesn't encourage anyone to travel to your state to shoot with you if they can't even win if they WIN! I mean really WTF is that? If someone is at the match from out of state and beats the locals he is the State Champion, period. Now I have no issue with having a special award for the in state shooters high score. But to not allow out of state people to even win is just ridiculous.
e.Excessive mandates to match director?
Not that I am aware of here.
f.Other?
I would just say we look forward to having the out of state people come for our big matches otherwise it would just be another local match that was 2 days in all reality.
What are some of you traveling shooters experiences at other states?
I have been to 6 states shooting silhouette now and always had a great time with well run matches. Some so well run you don't hardly even sit down! There are another 5 or 6 states that have matches I want to attend someday.


I am lucky where I am at now I can shoot 4 SB matches a month if I want. 5 Airgun matches a month. About to get our HP setup completed for a monthly match in HP and if I wanted there are all 3 Cowboy rifles shot as well and pistol too! It really is a silhouette shooters dream down here if you like to shoot. All that within a hour or so or less of my house, where I also shoot Air Rifle and SB silhouette lol. Plus we shoot all year long with the exception of a couple SB matches that close up for 2-3 months during hunting season. Sure it is Africa hot here sometimes in the summer but that just helps you focus as the sweat rolls into your eye while trying to make a shot lol. The thing is we really don't have all that many people that shoot it with many traveling to all the matches each month. Trying to get people to come shoot is the hard part. Actually getting new people to shoot is harder than the shooting itself I think. All that along with matches I am sure to attend in Texas, Arkansas and Missouri plus out of town state matches. Damn! Hi, My Name is Dee and I have a shooting problem


Dee

Dee the first step is admitting you have a problem! LOL!!!

Feeling sorry for your "African Heat" as my dad and I stayed home today because is was 20' down at the TSC (well that and I work for UPS and put in a 13 hour day yesterday).

Well put answers sir. I always wondered about that whole non resident can't win the match rule. Feels like the "locals only" rules down in Cali when I used to surf more often. Got ran off a couple times even though I was there to take a few sets with a family member who was a local.

There is a lot of expense in traveling to regional and state matches but as one of our elder statesmen here in WA put it. "The only way to up your game is to travel". I couldn't agree more.

See you in a few months down in Ar-Kansas!

Dee&Bigfoot,these are just the kind of info i'm looking for.Good Job.I may opine on a few topics after a few more responses.Thanks.

State Silhouette Championships. Having shot in quite a few different state championships in the last 30 years I will try to answer your questions.
In most states there is some sort of state rifle-pistol association.
Very few state associations would support beyond a note in the state monthly paper. I can think of only one that gave awards from the state. Don't think any associations looked for clubs to do the matches. Zero financial support except the one that gave awards. No discount to members of the state association.
More: Some state associations want a certain $ amount for each shooter --some would give a bit back in awards most would not. Some states require you to be a member of the state association where the match is held and some just require you to be a member of your home state association.
In most cases if you are from out of state and are a member of the match state association you are eligible to win the match.
In other cases and it should be posted before the match if a person from out of state can win the match or not. In one case years ago I won the match and I got the money but the trophy went to the home state shooter.
In some cases when there has been some problems with the state associations the local clubs have hosted the same type of match and just changed the name to -example "Bill's Fall Championship" and in 99% of the cases the same shooters shoot and cost a few dollars less or more money went for prizes or what ever and the local club keeps all the money.
Yankee

Just a couple questions to turn this up a notch.
How much does it cost to join your state org?
How much does it cost for your club to be state affiliated?
How much per shooter fee to shoot your state championship?

I'd like a big dose of 'Africa Hot' right now please. I attended a football game saturday and it was 5 below at kickoff with a -15ish windchill.

Oh, and something about state championships. Only shot in one, and there were no extra fees or need to join a state organization as an individual.

From a former match director/current state director POV.
1) general membership $20 annually
2) don't know on the club membership (I'm not a club)
3) Shooter fee (for state championships) is $4.00 per competitor

Now that being said, our state association provides funding for the state champ trophy and other awards based on the income of the match and that disciplines budget. We also provide a gift for each competitor (assuming the match director requests said items), usually a fraternal item has been in the past tool bag, tote bag, water bottle holder, thumb drive, shirts...etc.
Usually there is a member of the board at each state match, typically the director of that discipline. Advertizement is responsibility of match director and if said person provides information to web master and editor usually gets information out to all members, this is a tough one as not all members use the internet.
No discounts for being a state association member, requirement for competing in state championship (per fees associated with discipline), does not require that you be a member of this state association if from another state, but you must be a member of your home state association. We typically have Match Winner and State Champion trophies, in many cases they do not go to the same person, state champ must be a state resident.

Mary

I could use a few more responses from current or former match directors and or state champions on your experience.

Having spoke with Hermit5 on this topic several times these are my thoughts. First off if you are a member of the state organization then you should not have to pay the extra entry fee for the match. I just seems a little like double dipping to me. I am not sure how the other states work but having been the match director for the 2013 CLA State Championships it makes the match director look bad when it takes a year or longer to get the awards to the shooters that's why we spent the extra money so the winners got them at the match. Now the big question do you have to be a resident to be state champion? A lot of people are for this I am not. My feelings are if you spend your money and time to travel to attend a State Championship you should be able to be State Champion no matter what your address is. I feel that the state organization does not do enough to promote silhouette. Just our 2 cents. Mike & Tammy Haynes

Texas


If there is no state org how does it work?
ok
How well?
ok
1.Does your state org encourage state championships?
yes, they encourage it
a.Is a representative present?
by representative you mean the person who volunteered (state director) to run the match, yes, a gumshoe (non shooter) from the assn, no.
b.Provide awards?
at cost to you
c. Advertisement?
yes, they will list it on the web/mag
d. Seek clubs to hold championships?
never
e. Financial support?
no
f. Discount match fee if member?
no
g. Other?
nice people, but it is a vehicle for the assn to make money.

The next question is aimed at the possibility that the state org actually hampers state championships.
All states please voice your experience.
1.How does your state actually hinder the match?
neutral
a.Match fees?
yes, they take a fixed $ per shooter
b.Club fees?
no
c.membership requirement?
required to be a member of the TSRA to shoot in the state match. Not just your state, our state assn.
d.Non resident can't be state champion?
We had an alien as the state champion a couple years back.( Chango )You shoot the highest score, you ARE the state champ. Period.
e.Excessive mandates to match director?
typical paperwork required, nothing excessive
f.Other?
Pretty much a hands off deal. They want their money. They will post/publish articles and results. Decent mag. I never had trouble dealing with them. But I was early on my requests, and prompt with my reports.
What are some of you traveling shooters experiences at other states?
I like to travel to Louisiana. Except for Dustin...(LMAO) they are great to be around. The match director is the State rep for the state assn. He/she can make the experience good or bad. I've never seen bad, but I've seen disorganized. There is a knack to running a big match. If it is done well, it is seamless. The group of locals, who lay the groundwork, and do all the unseen tasks, are the unsung heroes. Ideally, everyone knows their role and duties, the director takes care of the big things, and hands off the little tasks. Hint, always do awards before doing long runs. 165 pigs later is a long time in human time.

HTH

psteiger wrote:I like to travel to Louisiana. Except for Dustin...(LMAO)

Pat Steiger is the sole reason for the decline of participation in silhouette over the last decade.

Dustin

and the primary cause of global warming......................

good luck this weekend!

psteiger wrote:good luck this weekend!

Thanks. Looks like Saturday might be a bit wet. I think next year we are going to hold the Louisiana Cowboy Silhouette championship in Houston to make it an easier trip for the majority of the competitors!

Dustin