Taps wrote:Oh, so I've got my head in the sand have I Mr High and Mighty Analytical Thinker?
Better there than up my own ass!
Boy are you thin skinned.
As for analytical processes, without 100% of the true data your results are next to useless.
If you were an analytical thinker you would realize that there is a wealth of information contained on your score card alone that can be used to assess how you shot at each match.
To get any greater benefit out of an electronic record of results would have to include a detailed log of exactly what happened with each shot, otherwise you just wind up with a record of impact points without reason for why they are there. ( Unless I'm conversing with someone with an idetic memory who can recall the circumstance of each shot fired )
If that is what you want, have at it.
There ain't an "app" in the world that will improve your stance, hold, trigger control and follow through, that's called "practice".
It's not uncommon for people to be resistant to change much less utilization of new technology especially if they don't possess the cognitive ability to see potential value. The irony of calling someone thin skinned when you got your panties in a wad over the world leaving you behind is quite tasty. I truly thank you for that.
Let's have look at your "points".
Unless you are going to write a detailed desciption of what happened with each shot, i.e. gust of wind, dropped barrel, broke trigger to the right, etc. your "data" aint going to tell you a lot.
What on Earth do you think the app is for? A gust of wind could be noted and that shot(s) could possibly be excluded from any metrics ran after the fact. A dropped barrel or poor trigger control will show up in impact and seen by your spotter, marked as miss, and POI captured. Any information I would like to include could also be included. Rifle. Ammo. Scope. Sights. Weather. Range. Time. Season. The shoes I wore that day. Caffeine intake. etc etc etc If the app is written in such a way that I could run metrics on my results and filter off of a specific field such as the few examples I gave, the scores could be look at from many different perspectives.
You can get a good run-down of how you shot off your scorecard. Not only does it show how many you shot, you can work out "trends". High percentage of misses on 1st shot? It will show on the card. Seem to be missing most of your last shots, ditto. "Old-school"
I didn't say using solely the scorecard would be useless, but it's no where near as capable as a proper app could be. Wouldn't you like to see if there is some sort of pattern on a 1st shot miss rather than just "miss"? It might show you that there could be a cold bore flier of your rifle. What if I am doing poorly on a specific animal but in a consistent way? It sure would be nice to be able to do a shot overlay and see if there is a particular pattern showing up with my POI. Maybe a few more turkeys would fall.
As for analytical processes, without 100% of the true data your results are next to useless.
False. As long as proper context has been defined for the data, the data is valuable. Maybe that's what you mean by "true data", I really don't know what you're meaning by that phrase.
If you were an analytical thinker you would realize that there is a wealth of information contained on your score card alone that can be used to assess how you shot at each match.
To get any greater benefit out of an electronic record of results would have to include a detailed log of exactly what happened with each shot, otherwise you just wind up with a record of impact points without reason for why they are there. ( Unless I'm conversing with someone with an idetic memory who can recall the circumstance of each shot fired )
Again. I didn't say that using solely the scorecard would be useless. That's your own fallacy regarding me, but you know, you're right; if there isn't proper context defined with the data, the data isn't likely worth the effort to capture it. If the shooter isn't going to break down the performances after the fact, it's not likely worth capturing it. If the app doesn't allow for variables to be noted, then the app isn't what is needed. If you're not willing to look at what the right app is capable of capturing and see that value, then this conversation isn't worth having.
There ain't an "app" in the world that will improve your stance, hold, trigger control and follow through, that's called "practice".
Will it improve them? Absolutely not. I haven't seen someone claim that either. Could it possibly indicate an error with one of those? Surely. Primarily trigger control I would assume, but that's a blind guess.
The saying "practice makes perfect" is a very wrong little saying. I'm not sure if it's often spilled out on your half of the world or even at all, but it is here in the states. It honestly frustrates me to hear it said. It would be better to say "perfect practice makes perfect" and if errors aren't being noted, the errors are simply being practiced not leading to improvement. If there is room for improvement, then clearly something isn't perfect. If you're not striving for perfect scores, then this conversation isn't worth having. Shoot your shots, have your fun.
Silhouette is an individual performance, but is pretty hindered if done individually. What I mean is that if you're shooting completely alone, your misses tell no story other than the animal didn't fall. Your hits only say that the animal was struck in some manner that knocked it over. How can you improve on that if you don't know where your miss was or if your hit was on the other side of the animal from what you thought was your POA? That's why the majority of shooters have spotters. Some find them distracting or simply unwanted (likely the commentary rather than POI), and that's fine. Not every body shoots for the same reasons or goals. We're out here to have fun and celebrate a culture that we all enjoy. Glen Ring typically doesn't like a spotter (correct me if I'm wrong Glen), but I've never seen him make a statement saying that shooters using spotters are dependent, whiny children that need their hand constantly held and ego stroked which would be akin to your ridiculously absurd statement of people being attached to their "idiot phone" and not wanting to "miss a post on F#*k-wit book". Though he may say something similar about shooting vests, but I digress.
If the data seen/spoken by your spotter isn't captured on your scorecard, your scorecard isn't telling the whole story unless you're shooting 100% hit rates every match. Something enabling you to track what your spotter is able dictate would only be helpful if you're willing to put in the leg work.
Football, basketball, baseball, etc etc coaches watch game films. Golf swings are analyzed and ball landings plotted. Every sport I can think of is analyzed in every way they can. Why should we only look at the score? Why should our sport be any different? Traditionalism? Fear of innovation? It's always been done such a way? Annie Oakley wouldn't do it?
I think the biggest breakdown in this thread is that the function and capabilities of a silhouette specific app that
you imagine is far, far, far, far different than the one I do. I think you wouldn't have made such a dumb statement regarding the "idiot phone" if you actually knew what an app
could do unless you're just an overly sour curmudgeon. I don't personally know you so I really don't know. I can only go by the words and tone of your posts here.
The app (mine at least) would not be something that would Tweet out or make a Facebook status saying "HEY EVERYBODY I DONE SHOT ME A xx/xx TODAY AT THE MONTHLY SILHOUETTE MATCH LOOK WHERE I HIT THAT TURKEY PLEASE PAY ATTENTION AND VALIDATE MEEEEEEEE". My career is literally data creation, capturing, tracking, management, and reporting from an IT field for a complicated production process. It's not hard for me to imagine and define what the app would need to be in order to be worth the time, but I do know that if the app was done right, it would be immensely valuable for the right shooter. I also know what kind of time it would take to code such an app which is likely why it doesn't exist. I barely have time to shoot much less create something to tell me that I still suck because I haven't practiced because I sat staring at a screen coding an app.
If that sort of ability isn't appealing to you,
fine. Use your scorecard and carry on with yourself, but don't come into a discussion simply to scream and cry because it's not the way you want to do things.