Why is this rifle illegal?

[Bob259]

Your absolutely correct Merlin. I know a person who just paid $3,800 for a semi-auto pistol for one of those other sports and is on a 13-18 month waiting list. It's not the price of the toys that makes you a better shooter. This sport is harder than most people think and they get discouraged easily in a day of wanting instant gratification without effort or work on their part. A good example is back in our Sporterifle league one of the first 300’s was shot with a JC Higgins barn gun that rode on the tractor all day for wood chucks.

[Dee]

The rifles are not the determining factor and never will be in silhouette shooting. Grown men with a passion for their hobby/sport will spend considerable amounts of money on their chosen endeavor no matter what it happens to be. The fishing boat is a great comparison. But look at any hobby, they have people that enjoy playing chess and some have custom made boards that cost big money.. Check this one out..

http://store.carbonfibergear.com/mars-m ... 7AodJTcAjA

Now does anyone really NEED that board to play chess? Hardly, you can play it on a sheet of paper with little paper pieces. A Grand Master chess player is going to hand people their asses regardless of which board they played on.

Look at all the shooters from Mexico that come here and win using loaner rifles not even setup for them personally that should tell you something.

Even if you gave low level shooters all the best equipment AND the use of all the jackets/pants/gloves/shoes etc they aren't going to be winning any matches against the best shooters just using a vest.

I thought it might draw more people in to the sport that have these rifles if they would just add another class and call it "Unlimited" if you can hold it up you can shoot it. The catch is you have to choose between shooting that class or the Regular Standard rifle class but not both at any one match. All those shooting in it would be competing against the others that opted for Unlimited Class. You couldn't be the overall match winner but you could win that class. It wouldn't add any extra setup over the 2 classes unless it was offered at a match that gave awards so you would need a few extra awards but that is all. It could possibly bring out shooters that like offhand shooting but bored from shooting at a X on paper that still have the rifles and like to shoot. More shooters is more shooters. Plus they would get the bug and get rifles to use in Hunter since no regular silhouette shooter I know only shoots one class each match.

Dee

[Merlin]

Dee said "More shooters is more shooters." Yes Sir...!

Not really trying to say change the game or to ruffle feathers of those who shoot this game well...but....

Use rimfire pistol targets ... Pigs at 40M - Turkeys at 60M and Rams at 77 M. People like to see things go clang and fall over when they shoot. So you would have a much higher average score from the herd/average shooters. What about 100M you ask...? Use smallbore rifle chickens.

Average/new/poor shooters like me get to see stuff fall over and then the "good" shooters can fight it out over chickens....

OK.. I'll shut up and crawl back under the porch with the rest of the little dogs....

[Trent]

The fact that more people shoot one gun (Hunter) in both classes, and win is a clear cut sign that there isn't enough difference between the classes. I say leave Hunter as it is and open up "Standard" class. The gap between Hunter and Standard is too small.

Hunter Class - leave it as it is
Standard Class - convert to "Unlimited"

[dustinflint]

Hunter Class - leave it as it is
Standard Class - convert to "Unlimited"

Agreed!!! Lets do it!

Dustin

[psteiger]

time to break out my chin gun!!!!!!

Wait, I don't have a chin gun........yet. Lets see a chin gun with an auto acquisition scope/trigger. This is gonna be sooooo cool. Make that a semi auto. just wave it in the vicinity of the target and it fires when it has a solution. I am liking this!!!!! Kind of a 917-30 of the gun world. The pistol guys already use electronic triggers.........I can do this.

Merlin, you just need to do a lever gun match. Big targets !

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[dustinflint]

time to break out my chin gun!!!!!!

Wait, I don't have a chin gun........yet. Lets see a chin gun with an auto acquisition scope/trigger. This is gonna be sooooo cool.

Pat, no.

Dustin

[dustinflint]

All we need is a modification to the rules that will allow me to buy and legally shoot the FWB. No electronic auto-firing triggers. Just enough to make me happy, which is what really matters...

Dustin

[Trent]

While we're at it, in the unlimited class... AR15s and AR10s are allowed. I think High Power silhouette would benefit from a rule change like that.

[Merlin]

While we're at it, in the unlimited class... AR15s and AR10s are allowed. I think High Power silhouette would benefit from a rule change like that.

And I JUST got back from sighting in my brand new Hunter rifle...

But.... I'm game....

[psteiger]

I'm sorry Dustin, what part of UN-limited eludes you???????? Are you afraid? : Remember, someone always has better equipment, and someone always has more skill, you just hope they're not the same person. < read Cathy Winstead> the only way to beat them is limit them to 35 shots.

[dustinflint]

Okay Pat, you can have an automatic trigger, but you have to buy my FWB for me.

Dustin

[boats]

Why not buy a FWB and shoot it in Intl Free Rifle competiton. Add a 10 Meter Air rifle same time. These are the rifles & rules used in Olympics. Few years on paper targets will make a better silhouette shooter out of most of us. Silhouette it's easy to throw one away, paper single error will ruin your match. Disipline to make every shot count is very usefull

I shoot some 10M Air indoors wintertime it's great competiton. Learned more about shooting some years ago with a Smallbore Free Rifle than anything I have ever shot. Scores turned in by College competitors are humbling to say the least.

Look up NCAA rifle competiton on line

Boats

[dustinflint]

Boats, thanks for that suggestion, but I'm not shooting intl rifle.

Why not buy a FWB and shoot it in Intl Free Rifle competiton.

First, there are no matches anywhere that I know of. Second, I'm not giving up a day of silhouette shooting to shoot at paper targets. Third, a silhouette shooter shooting intl rifle is like a bike racer doing a triathlon, it's boring and unnatural.

Silhouette it's easy to throw one away, paper single error will ruin your match. Disipline to make every shot count is very usefull

??? My experience has been that throwing one away in a silhouette match is a great way to LOSE. Even in our local matches, throw a target away and guys like Dee, Jeaux, mrmongo or Jerry Tureau will jump all over it. Worse than those guys are our star juniors Hayley Kunzli and Jacie Kennison - those girls don't give us much room for throwing a target away.

I shoot some 10M Air indoors wintertime it's great competiton. Learned more about shooting some years ago with a Smallbore Free Rifle than anything I have ever shot.

I'm all for that, but I live in south Louisiana. We shoot silhouette outdoors year-round.

Look up NCAA rifle competiton on line

I have actually tried intl rifle. It is fun and although I've been joking around about it, I'd shoot it if there were matches available locally. Also, I like the way you think... Good way to solve my problem of needing something to shoot that FWB that Pat is going to buy me. Still, I think it is more practical for you guys to just change the silhouette rules to accommodate my wishes.

Dustin

[GregG]

While we're at it, in the unlimited class... AR15s and AR10s are allowed. I think High Power silhouette would benefit from a rule change like that.

FYI
3.1.2 High Power Semi Automatic Military Rifle - Any center fire, self-loading rifle, as issued for general
service by the armed forces of any nation, or the same type and caliber of commercially manufactured rifle, having
not less than 4-1/2 pound trigger pull, with standard type stock. In all courses, the standard box magazine will be
attached. A hinged butt plate, if installed, will be used only in the folded position. Rubber recoil pads may be used.
The gas system, if any, must be fully operational. External modifications will not be allowed. The application of
synthetic coatings, which includes those containing powdered metal, to the interior of the stock to improve bedding
is authorized provided the coating does not interfere with the function or operation of safety features. The front and
rear sights must be of original design, but may vary in dimensions of rear sight aperture and front sight blade. The
internal parts of the rifle may be specially fitted and include alterations which will improve the functioning and
accuracy of the arm, provided such alterations in no way interfere with the proper functioning of the safety devices
as manufactured.
a. 6mm or larger caliber.
b. Any magazine may be used and may be included in the grasp.
b. Cartridges may be loaded from the magazine or single loaded.


For the US this has meant M1 and M14, of course irons sights are "fun".