I had forgotten about Karen Mones, wow she could shoot, a little petite brunette that shot master class scores with the big bad 308.

Here is my 80's Gun. Found some unused 190 gr MK's few months ago loaded up and plinked at the Ram Swinger. You forget how they kicked back in the day.



Rule never changes, lowest recoil that delivers required effect on target is going to perform best.

Boats

Dan...those of us girls that know kevinbear don't bother wasting a finger on him, we would rather put the effort into the trigger squeeze.

Innocent

[quote="boats"]Here is my 80's Gun. Found some unused 190 gr MK's few months ago loaded up and plinked at the Ram Swinger. You forget how they kicked back in the day.

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Rule never changes, lowest recoil that delivers required effect on target is going to perform best.

Boats[/quote]

I can't believe you still have that, pretty cool. Is the barrel still good?

Barrel in the photo was shot out long time ago, which is why I kept the rifle so long, nobody wanted to buy it. Last winter found a fresh Arsenal barrel marked 1935. It's on it now and shooting well. You do notice how slow the lock time is, compared to My 700 SS 7mm08 Hunter class gun. And the T 10 gives up something to a 6.5x20

Still nice to have.

Boats

Thanks for sharing Boats, unlike today where most of the rifles are 700's and we debate caliber only there were Ruger #1's to old military rifles on the line. If memory serves me correctly someone won the nationals with a Remington 7600 in 280 one year, if you showed up with one of those now you would be the subject of ridicule.
Unfortunatly my first highpower rifle is long gone, a 700 ADL with a 26" Shilen 5 1/2 chambered by Tom Bant in 6.5x308.

Honestly I hardly ever shoot HP Silhouette anymore. Competition dropped off at our club for a couple of reasons. One is the hot rodding of Hunter class running up the cost of a competitive rifle. Back when we had mostly Hunter shooters with out of the box rifles. Today We get 3 or 4 at a match thats all.

I think out HP program could be brought back if we promoted it better.

Boats

[quote="boats"]Honestly I hardly ever shoot HP Silhouette anymore. Competition dropped off at our club for a couple of reasons. One is the hot rodding of Hunter class running up the cost of a competitive rifle. Back when we had mostly Hunter shooters with out of the box rifles. Today We get 3 or 4 at a match thats all.

I think out HP program could be brought back if we promoted it better.

Boats[/quote]


Another victim of the "gamers", what would you guess the drop-out rate is silhouette shooters after the first 10 matches is..90 % ?

If a person quits silhouette after seeing someone else with a nicer gun then they were a lame duck to start off. I don't buy into this equipment race driving people away theory. Not one bit. I think it is an excuse we use for lack of interest in our sport. People don't generally leave competitive sports because other people have nicer equipment. They leave because they aren't doing as well as they thought they would, or it isn't as fun as they thought, or they show up to the range and there is only four other people there because most of the "regulars" have excuses of why they're not there. Who wants to compete when you are the only person in B or A class.

We have classes based on skill levels, not on how nice your rifle is. The classes make this sport competitive regardless of how raced up of a rifle you shoot. If that rifle is such an advantage then the new guy won't have to worry about it because they won't be in the lower classes. If someone from the higher classes leaves the sport and cites the "equipment race" as a reason then they didn't really love the sport in the first place and they were looking for an excuse. They just couldn't get themselves to say the words "I suck and want to quit".

This is a competitive sport. We're not playing tee-ball. There is an old racing term "run whatcha brung". Competitive people don't care what they "drive", they just want to have fun and compete.

Of course, there are always exceptions. Ok, I'll step off my soapbox now. Sorry for getting off topic.

With all due respect Trent YOU are thee exception rather than the rule for new silhouette shooters, none of us here in Co have ever seen a person take to the game like yourself EVER!
Of course it probably helped that you had the master of all teachers for your introduction.

If I am the exception, then this sport is doomed. We might as well all jump on the tactical train.

You know what Kevin, it wasn't silhouette that kept me coming back. It was you and the rest of the Colorado Crew. I kept coming back because you all are fun to be around. That is why I say that it isn't the equipment race or rules that drives people away. We need to change our perspective and realize that it is on all of us to KEEP people involved and wanting to continue. If we want the sport to continue we have to recruit people and we have to retain people. This is something you CO guys are good at.

Trent wrote:If a person quits silhouette after seeing someone else with a nicer gun then they were a lame duck to start off. I don't buy into this equipment race driving people away theory. Not one bit. I think it is an excuse we use for lack of interest in our sport. People don't generally leave competitive sports because other people have nicer equipment. They leave because they aren't doing as well as they thought they would, or it isn't as fun as they thought, or they show up to the range and there is only four other people there because most of the "regulars" have excuses of why they're not there. Who wants to compete when you are the only person in B or A class.

We have classes based on skill levels, not on how nice your rifle is. The classes make this sport competitive regardless of how raced up of a rifle you shoot. If that rifle is such an advantage then the new guy won't have to worry about it because they won't be in the lower classes. If someone from the higher classes leaves the sport and cites the "equipment race" as a reason then they didn't really love the sport in the first place and they were looking for an excuse. They just couldn't get themselves to say the words "I suck and want to quit".

This is a competitive sport. We're not playing tee-ball. There is an old racing term "run whatcha brung". Competitive people don't care what they "drive", they just want to have fun and compete.

Of course, there are always exceptions. Ok, I'll step off my soapbox now. Sorry for getting off topic.

Right on Trent Like you I get tired of listening to the comments that everyone is quitting because of the fancy rifles or change in Hunter class rules.... We had a guy in our Sporterifle league that had a old JC Higgins .22 that he carried around on his tractor, look like the 2X4 rifle only worse for wear lol... but he shot a few 300 PS's with that old rifle, it's NOT the equipment it's the person pulling the trigger.

I apparently did not rib you enough! Thanks for the kind words just the same, were all looking forward to you coming back someday.

[quote="Trent"]If I am the exception, then this sport is doomed. We might as well all jump on the tactical train.

You know what Kevin, it wasn't silhouette that kept me coming back. It was you and the rest of the Colorado Crew. I kept coming back because you all are fun to be around. That is why I say that it isn't the equipment race or rules that drives people away. We need to change our perspective and realize that it is on all of us to KEEP people involved and wanting to continue. If we want the sport to continue we have to recruit people and we have to retain people. This is something you CO guys are good at.[/quote]

With a factory spec of 1 1/2 inches at 100 for new Remington I guess we would have to make the targets bigger.

I think the biggest killer of high power is the start up cost to the club with a sutable range..high power targets are very expensive then just having a sutable range to hold the events in. There is also encrochment we have a few ranges that have the distance but even if they had the money to spend they would have issues with noise and recochet issues.