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Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:09 am
by Dee
Don't think a 7-08 won't ring a ram because it will. I have even seen a ram rung with a 6.5 right before being rung the next shot by a 7-08 even after the 6.5 loosened it up. If the targets are set right the 6.5 shouldn't ring as many as you might think.


Dee

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:20 am
by GregG
Dee wrote:Don't think a 7-08 won't ring a ram because it will. I have even seen a ram rung with a 6.5 right before being rung the next shot by a 7-08 even after the 6.5 loosened it up. If the targets are set right the 6.5 shouldn't ring as many as you might think.


Dee

For that matter a 6mm will take rams if set right, just ask Tubbs.

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:27 am
by Merlin
Here we go.....

I see this is going to turn into a pissing contest so.....

About 72" depending on what I have drank lately... Beer produces higher pressures and perhaps a little better distance. 8)

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:00 pm
by Trent
Merlin wrote:Here we go.....

I see this is going to turn into a pissing contest so.....

About 72" depending on what I have drank lately... Beer produces higher pressures and perhaps a little better distance. 8)
If you have a 6.5mm bore... I'm out

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:16 pm
by kevinbear
I might have to build a custom .277 just to confuse you guys and have something new to argue about. :))

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:35 pm
by GregG
Tight bore 284 yeah!

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:38 pm
by Trent
kevinbear wrote:I might have to build a custom .277 just to confuse you guys and have something new to argue about. :))
That will solve everything!

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:31 pm
by GregG
I want one!

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:01 pm
by Bigfoot
For what it's worth. Lapua makes a 6.5 scenario at 139 grains that will drift 30% less at rams than the 7mm pills. The higher ballistic-c on the 6.5's are why most if not all new shooters to hp silhouette go the .264 route.

They kick less and go where you point them more dependably.

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:50 pm
by kevinbear
And then there's always the 6x47 option with 115 Dtac's. Wind drift comparable to the 6.5's with much less recoil, 2nd cartridge from the left.
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Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:14 pm
by Jim Beckley
Here we go again. The bottom of bottom lines is this, this is the winners circle O, if you want to find your ass standing in it shoot a 6.5 of some kind. No matter what the goatru, some snake, or anyone else tells you. In the last say ten years name a national, regional, or state match that wasn't won by some 6.5.

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:37 am
by Merlin
Bigfoot wrote:For what it's worth. Lapua makes a 6.5 scenario at 139 grains that will drift 30% less at rams than the 7mm pills. The higher ballistic-c on the 6.5's are why most if not all new shooters to hp silhouette go the .264 route.

They kick less and go where you point them more dependably.
Lapua 139 = .578 BC
162 AMAX = .625 BC

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:14 am
by Trent
Merlin wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:For what it's worth. Lapua makes a 6.5 scenario at 139 grains that will drift 30% less at rams than the 7mm pills. The higher ballistic-c on the 6.5's are why most if not all new shooters to hp silhouette go the .264 route.

They kick less and go where you point them more dependably.
Lapua 139 = .578 BC
162 AMAX = .625 BC
That's not the whole story though. You have to factor in velocity as well.

I'm not picky. I shoot both and they each exceed everything I need for silhouette.

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:23 am
by Merlin
Jim Beckley wrote:Here we go again. The bottom of bottom lines is this, this is the winners circle O, if you want to find your ass standing in it shoot a 6.5 of some kind. No matter what the goatru, some snake, or anyone else tells you. In the last say ten years name a national, regional, or state match that wasn't won by some 6.5.
Great Avatar, Jim.... :D

Re: Newbie questions

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:25 am
by GregG
Merlin wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:For what it's worth. Lapua makes a 6.5 scenario at 139 grains that will drift 30% less at rams than the 7mm pills. The higher ballistic-c on the 6.5's are why most if not all new shooters to hp silhouette go the .264 route.

They kick less and go where you point them more dependably.
Lapua 139 = .578 BC
162 AMAX = .625 BC
Merlin, I am sure this thread will not change your mind but BC as listed by both manufactures is probably true at some velocity. But I believe the manufactures are going to list their best numbers which is probably the fastest. For example for 143 Sierra 6.5 the following is from Sierra:
.264 142 .291 .595 @ 2850 fps and above
.580 between 2850 and 2400 fps
.575 between 2400 and 2050 fps
.550 @ 2050 and below

Not sure about everyone else but I do not want to shoot a 142 in silhouette doing about 3000. I am shooting down around .575.

IMHO 308 and 7-08 are great cartridges but the ship has sailed on these cartridges being the most popular and the best for silhouette. Just like NRA high-power you still see a few 308/7-08 shootings can they win yes. But 99% shoot 223. The same is in silhouette, the bullets are generally better, the recoil less (you can calculate this online), most shooters also do not shoot 162 at CPT.