Carefull Grenz, I'll get Mike to put another elbow into U!

Finally a good laugh!!! good one...both of you. That pic of the burning truck in the context of JB's description is one of the funnier things ever on ST.

Tony,

First season shooting Silhouette with a 7BR easy to obtain changes my advice. At the A or AA level it's more important to hit targets than knock over all Rams struck. And no doubt about it easier to learn to hit targets with a light recoiling rifle. Even AAA shooters, most of the time, are going to place better with a light recoiler than a "Reliable" Ram Rifle.

When somebody is at the top of the local competition with only a target or two deciding match win place or show Ram knockdown makes a difference. Until then it's not important. Get the BR and stay at it.

Boats

I'd order a full blown silhouette rig in 6mmx223, should be able to get one built for 3500.00, if you get on it now you'll have it by next spring.
Kb

Tony, you mentioned you borrowed a friend’s rifle and liked his setup, what was it?
FWIW, I shot a 7BR for several years in high power in the 1980’s. There were a lot of things to like about it. It was very easy to shoot and very accurate. I shot 140 Sierra GK’s and 150 Nosler SB’s and BT’s at all distances and I didn’t load hot loads. It was as more reliable on rams than the other rifles I was shooting then, which were a 250 Savage and 25 Souper, of which none are a real preferred choice of most.
A good friend and mentor who is a great offhand shot put it to me this way, “if you clean C,P, and Turkeys and don’t knock over a ram, you will still be competitive and still have fun”. And, “you need to learn to hit the targets before you worry about knocking them over”. Personally, I prefer to hit a ram and ring it to missing it and like I mentioned above the 7BR was easy to shoot and my scores went up with it----over the scores with the 308 I used in prior years, plus I didn’t cringe every time I pulled the trigger.
My 7BR’s, and I had several, were all sensitive to primers and powder and until I found out what worked, I had hang fires and misfires. And it’s hard to get a 7BR to feed out of a magazine, so I think a single shot or just feeding one at a time is best. You might expect tinkering with reloads.
If the person who has the 7BR will let you give it a test run, give it a whirl. Plus, it may be a jewel of a rifle---maybe a bargain---and all that’s needed to change it to a new caliber is a new barrel---all other things equal, a rifle that works with a 7BR will work with the 308 family of cartridges, plus many others, with a new barrel. So if the rifle fits you, it’s about a $600 bill to change it to a new caliber.

G'day Tony
If the rifle is good and the price is right it would be a good starter for silhouette. If you have trouble ringing rams and there is enough reinforce on the barrel it is a quick and easy job for a gunsmith to run a 7-08 reamer in to re -chamber. Cheaper than a new barrel by far.
My " 2Bobs" worth.
Taps

Taps wrote:G'day Tony
If the rifle is good and the price is right it would be a good starter for silhouette. If you have trouble ringing rams and there is enough reinforce on the barrel it is a quick and easy job for a gunsmith to run a 7-08 reamer in to re -chamber. Cheaper than a new barrel by far.
My " 2Bobs" worth.
Taps

Which 2 Bobs?? That will severely effect the value of your opinion around here.

I was wondering where the T-man was, your approaching the 1K mark, congratulations.

Something about Ram Knock down new shooters get hung up on. My guess it's the "for the recoil sensitive" comment you read so often. Who wants to be labled "recoil sensitive" Makes you sound like a wimp.

Fact of the matter is everybody is recoil sensitive. I see this all the time in BPCS shoot a big boomer so all rams hit fall and miss all the offhand chickens. 9 out of 10 BPCS shooters would be better off with a easy shooting 38/55 and leave a few rams. Moving to a 40 caliber only if they are in contention for top spots in matches and can't aford to leave any.

Boats

Makes you wonder how anyone hit any targets or were even able to shoot 40 rounds back in the late 70's /early 80's when most of the guns on the line were 30-06's and 308's. That was before girls started shooting though. If I remember right even Margurite Everhart shot a 308 back then and did very very well.

kevinbear wrote:Makes you wonder how anyone hit any targets or were even able to shoot 40 rounds back in the late 70's /early 80's when most of the guns on the line were 30-06's and 308's. That was before girls started shooting though.

KB,

There is what's called cause and effect.....you know, an action precipitates a reaction, also know as a result or effect....with respect to recoil vs. scores; who'da thunk that, huuuu ??? You must be familiar with the Dunning–Kruger Effect, no??? If not read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2 ... ger_effect

Now, review how low HP Silhouette scores were back then, when 308's and 0'6's were the norm. Recoil is always our enemy. Bullet efficiency, with respect to aeroballistics, is always our friend. And finally, ram knockdown is where it's at with minimum cost at the shoulder, read recoil, no??? Think slippery, tough bullets. Is that too much to ask???? It's not that hard, you can do it.....

And, your misogynistic comment really does not belong on this forum; to wit:

"That was before girls started shooting though."

I hope all the women that read this site, and many others, give you the finger the next time they see you at a match.

And the genius chimes in again.....

kevinbear wrote:And the genius chimes in again.....

KB,

You really are a piece of work.

Thanks for noticeing, mr. projective identification! ;)

I remember reading about Karen Mones in 1977 when shooting outside the competition because her Remington 700 in 308 was not allowed to be used because the stock measurements of her rifle resembled a "target" rifle. She out shot the competition and would had won the HP Nationals that year had she been allowed to compete with the rifle she had. Marguerite Everheart won the HP Nationals with a 308 in 1981, 1983 and 1985 with a Remington 700 Varmint in 308 with a Rem factory stock and barrel, the only thing she changed was the trigger, she had a Canjar LP and a Weaver T16. Those were the years when we only shot one rifle class (hunter started in 1985) and we had no Chin Guns.