Rules question on loading...

[Dee]

I understand that for Hunter Rifle if you have a magazine rounds are to be loaded from the mag. My question is if I were to get a single shot block to use in my rifle would this be allowed under the Hunter Rules?

Dee

[Jason]

Summary: Unless it was manufactured as a single shot without a magazine, it needs to be loaded from the magazine according to hunter rules. Note that this doesn't mean that all rounds have to be loaded into the magazine at once, as many (including me) single load for high power hunter rifle by loading one round at a time, just pushing it down into the magazine.

[Dee]

Thanks Jason that is what I was thinking but wanted to verify. Having only shot 2 HP matches I wasn't sure. I also do as you mention and still single load into the mag for each shot. Since I am already doing that I thought maybe a block would be better.

Dee

[kevinbear]

I've haven't been to a match in recent times where they enforced the rule, being somewhat of a purist when it comes to the hunting class I disagree with the current attitude of the silhouette comittee of "anything goes, were just happy your here, give us your money".

[Dee]

Well when it comes to how the round got into the chamber I don't really think it makes much difference. Unless you are going to use the excuse that the guy loading single only beat you because he was loading singles To me it is more of a why even bother if I am loading them single into the mag anyway proposition? I am cool with it either way as I don't think it makes a lick of difference in score if anything single loading is more time consuming so that doesn't give you any sort of advantage.


Dee

[kevinbear]

I think we should all shoot Stolle panda's with electronic actuators on the bolt that automaticlly cycle it after each shot. While were at put an electronic firing system that links the image in the scope to the "trigger" in the gun. Oh hell, lets just play the game from our computors at home.

[Dee]

Going a little overboard in your thinking for a little clarification question on the LOADING rule don't ya think Kevin? You would think I was asking why I can't use a bench rest and 25 lb rifle or demanding a rule change or something. Being a purist and all that is fine and dandy but if you think you are going to lose simply because someone is single loading I might not be the oldest nut in the silhouette shooting community but I know enough to know that how someone loads a round is the least of my concerns But it is nice to know the purist don't mind me selling my rifle to buy another one that is a single shot to accomplish the same thing in the same class. What was that "anything goes, were just happy your here, give us your money" line. I guess in this case it would be we don't care that you have to spend money to get a single shot and unless it was designed as such you need to go home. We'll not be having any single loading even though we single load pretty much anyway. That is gonna draw in the shooters

Thanks for answering the question Jason... Thanks for the lively debate over nothing Kevin

Dee

[kevinbear]

What can I say, it was a late friday night last night!!

[Jerry G]

Unless you are going to use the excuse that the guy loading single only beat you because he was loading singles

That is digging into the bottom of the barrel for an excuse.

My thought on the subject is that the rifle must be capable of loading from the magazine. What a stupid rule. We might as well go back to the heavy/light rifle rules we had years ago. It seems to me every year people add rules to anything just to show that they are on the job. Just look at congress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kevinbear]

Incrementalism; Can be seen as a stealthy way to bring about radical changes that were not initially wanted: a slippery slope

When the hunting rifle concept was originally wrote into the rule book it was to be an initial stepping stone for non-target shooter types ie; hunters/plinkers to enter the the sport of silhouette with equipment they might already have or was readily available from sporting goods stores without taking out a loan against there home. Target rifles without magazine cuts/single shots have stiffer actions and are slightly more accurate than a conventional hunting style action.

Oh my how we have slipped.

[Trent]

I think the "single loading" rule probably had more to do with loading long to reach the lands in a 7-08 and .308 than it did with a stiffer action. Most 7-08 and .308 factory rifles cannot load bullets to the lands and also still fit into a short action magazine. Now there are better cartridges that don't have that issue.

[kevinbear]

And Trent slides a wry remark in there about the 08's!!!!

[Trent]

I love the 7-08.

I have a new 7mm cartridge in mind though.

[kevinbear]

I have or have had most of them, tell me more.

[Trent]

Its a secret.

7mm Creedmoor (wildcat at this point). Uses the same 6.5 Creedmoor brass that I use just necked up to 7mm. Fits in the magazine with tons of room to spare, and gets a better filled case along with slightly reduced velocities. Seems much better than doing the reduced 7-08 loads that we do now. It really seems like a great silhouette cartridge. Little shorter case and steeper shoulder than the 7-08. Brass would be made easily with a single pass through a .284 expander. I think it would be a great partner to my 6.5 Creedmoor. It may just be the perfect silo cartridge. Light recoil and still shoot the 168 SMKs at our silhouette velocities, and can touch the lands and load all rounds from the magazine. Sounds like a great hunter rifle cartridge.

Sorry for getting off topic Dee.