Cooper

SmallCaliber · Post by **SmallCaliber** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:43 pm

Anyone here ever see a Cooper Jackson Squirrel Rifle used in SB Silo ??

Been thinking of trying one out and giving SB a try, since I'm a Cooper Nut.

Regards

SmallCaliber · Post by **SmallCaliber** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:17 pm

Guess I should take zippo repsonses to mean "NO", you haven't seen any Jackson Squirrel Coopers used huh ??

atomicbrh · Post by **atomicbrh** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:42 pm

SmallCaliber, Smallbore Rifle Competitors are what we call in the South "Blabbermouths." This means they talk a lot about any and everything. They blabber a lot about rifles and other things by posting on this forum also. If they do not reply to a new topic about a product, I would interpret this to mean the product might be something that seasoned Silhouette shooters would stay away from. By now every Rifle Manufacturer's product has been thoroughly tested by Silhouette Competitors and that is why at major matches you see one Manufacturer's rifle in various forms dominate the Sport with only 2 or 3 other rifle makers represented in much smaller numbers.

Bobby R. Huddleston

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:29 pm

As one that has insisted on experimenting, let me say there are only three companies interested in the silhouette market: CZ, Kimber and Anschutz. The shooter has a lot to do with the outcome, so other makes can compete very well, but when you begin buying rifles just for silhouette competition you will gravitate toward one of those three makes.

tmarshall · Post by **tmarshall** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:20 pm

That rifle appears to have the attributes of a first class silhouette rifle. Weight, trigger, heavy action, plam swell, high comb and cheek piece, no? But what do I know. Really not squat when it comes to knowing what works. They are even coming out with a synthetic stocked JSR that duplicates the look and dimentions of the wood version. At least that is what I read on rimfire central. I was waiting for someone to chime in on the pros and cons of Coopers myself. I take then if the Anschutz 1712 is the best, then why pay the same amount for a lesser rifle?

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:18 pm

There are many good rifles out there, and Cooper's have a fabulous reputation - if that's what you want to shoot, by all means do! This is every bit about what you enjoy, not mindlessly following the herd. I'm a contrarian - compelled to swim upstream - and get my fur singed for it frequently.

The reason for using a different rifle is that it makes you happy. Anschutz is the gold standard, but I'm not at all sure that means the Cooper is inferior.

SmallCaliber · Post by **SmallCaliber** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:47 pm

atomicbrh wrote:SmallCaliber, Smallbore Rifle Competitors are what we call in the South "Blabbermouths." This means they talk a lot about any and everything. They blabber a lot about rifles and other things by posting on this forum also. If they do not reply to a new topic about a product, I would interpret this to mean the product might be something that seasoned Silhouette shooters would stay away from. By now every Rifle Manufacturer's product has been thoroughly tested by Silhouette Competitors and that is why at major matches you see one Manufacturer's rifle in various forms dominate the Sport with only 2 or 3 other rifle makers represented in much smaller numbers.

Bobby R. Huddleston

Why is it that most everyone from the SOUTH whether it be benchrest or Silo competitors have such an attitude towards others ?? Seems like you southerners think you have the "steering wheel" to most all forums and that your opinions are better qualified than most. Its sure not a great way to get newer shooters interested from the start.

As for the other replies, thank you. I live in a rural area in the midwest that doesn't have alot of choices to try out Silo, unless it is high-power. I prefer to start out in Rimfire to see if I like it. Happen to like Coopers and thought it was a reasonable question to ask you experienced silo shooters, before I just drop pants and go get a CZ452/453 or a 1712.

Sheeeesh, guess i better be a quiet sheep and listen instead of asking questions.

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:04 pm

Easy Big Fella! I got the same advice when I started and bristled some because they sounded so certain, and because it wasn't what I wanted to hear. After a year, I can say there's some hard earned experience behind the advice, not arrogance. $1,500 is a lot of money for a discretionary buy, at least to me, so I'm reluctant to gamble on a Cooper.

If you like 'em, try one! The Jackson Cooper Squirrel Rifle does look and spec out as a solid silhouette rifle, and I'd like to know how they worked.

SmallCaliber · Post by **SmallCaliber** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:47 pm

BlauBear wrote:Easy Big Fella! I got the same advice when I started and bristled some because they sounded so certain, and because it wasn't what I wanted to hear. After a year, I can say there's some hard earned experience behind the advice, not arrogance. $1,500 is a lot of money for a discretionary buy, at least to me, so I'm reluctant to gamble on a Cooper.

If you like 'em, try one! The Jackson Cooper Squirrel Rifle does look and spec out as a solid silhouette rifle, and I'd like to know how they worked.

Don't take my response wrong, I fully understand advice, ie. get a Annie or a CZ(proven & winning rifles)..... The "Blabbermouth" remark was uncalled for, aimed at rimfire newbies, IMHO narrow minded thinking.

Cheers

Jason · Post by **Jason** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:53 pm

I'm a little confused at how anything about the blabbermouth comment could be taken offensively. In this case, it was fairly obviously simply a statement that if anyone on this forum had seen the rifle in question used, you could be fairly certain they'd be replying here and talking about it. It has nothing to do with being from the South, only stating the obvious that silhouette shooters love to talk about the sport just like they love shooting it.

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:16 pm

SmallCaliber wrote:Don't take my response wrong, I fully understand advice, ie. get a Annie or a CZ(proven & winning rifles)..... The "Blabbermouth" remark was uncalled for, aimed at rimfire newbies, IMHO narrow minded thinking.

Cheers

Believe me, if I had a Cooper you would have heard about it, good or bad! We do like to share our experience - and have been known to rib each other pretty hard from time to time. But no put downs. Everyone I know in this sport is anxious to share it, and glad for newbies.

genphideaux · Post by **genphideaux** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:51 am

I stayed out of this one because I have never shot the bushy tail model but have shot all the rest classic, custom and western classic which I still own. For me they all shot well, the main disadvantage was the trigger not being a two stage and the weight. The accuracy was on par with a annie and the 57m action was done well. The silhouette community as a whole got a bad impression of the copper's based on the old 36 action which preceeded the 57m, would not eject spent cases, very ammo sensitive, a small grip and service was a nightmare. Several shootes still shoot coppers and have worked around the 36's problems or us the 57m. For me it was a matter of knowing that if my gun failed there are many annie's on the line that I could borrow or that many of us have enough spare parts to fix most problems. I am from the south and also feel that the comment was ment to enlighten everyone that southern folk share and discuss information they know, not that we are trying to get in the drivers seat, hell the back seat is where all the parties are, IMHO just my .02 cents

ajj · Post by **ajj** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:47 am

The Atomic Mr. Huddleston can certainly take care of himself but I can't help commenting that he is a notoriously nice guy, delighted to help anybody interested in this great sport, and that his post was both informative and polite. Read it again. The "blabbermouth" part was aimed at the rest of us, not you.
Once you get to know these people you'll understand the extent to which all this chatter we post is tongue-in-cheek. I recommend Winnsboro in June.

genphideaux · Post by **genphideaux** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:01 am

SmallCaliber,

After futher thought I would say if you like cooper then by all means get one and use it, I personnally found no reason other than what I stated to not use one as a competion rifle, now you are aware that cooper has a disclaimer on some of their rifle that they are not for competion use, I know this was added to the 2003 manual, on the western classic because a bud of mine bought one and brought it to my attention. I checked the manual that came with my wc and it did not have the disclaimer nor do I remember it in any of the other manuals. This would mean litte to me if I wanted to shoot it.

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:09 am

Very good point about parts and service! Nothing worse than making a trip, breaking something simple, and getting to observe for lack of a part. But the satisfaction of using a rifle you like - or just being contrarian

- is important too.