Hold types

kevinpagano · Post by **kevinpagano** » Mon May 15, 2006 7:47 pm

Does anyone actually pull the gun into the shoulder with their supporting arm? I was trying this tonight and seemed to keep my wiggle more steady and predictable. I still have my elbow tucked into my rib cage, but putting more pressure rearward. Havent done this with live rounds or targets. Just curious if anyone does this?

Kevin

Gator · Post by **Gator** » Mon May 15, 2006 8:14 pm

That helps but don't over do it.

Gator

Jason · Post by **Jason** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:20 pm

I've tried it with both pushing toward my shoulder slightly and pushing away slightly to partially resist my trigger hand pulling the gun into my shoulder. Both seemed to steady the wiggle more than just letting the gun sit on top of that hand. I'm working on a couple other aspects of my form right now and am using the slight push away while I work on those. I might try the push toward in the future, though. It seems like it would work even better on highpower to have the rifle snugged into your shoulder to lessen the running the start the rifle gets upon firing.

ajj · Post by **ajj** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:02 am

Allow me to strongly discourage pulling the rifle back with the support hand. It takes lots of work, maybe years, to learn to relax that left arm. It's going to be a lot harder if you practice pulling in with it. Same with pushing out with the shoulder. Please don't do that.
The way to snug the rifle into the shoulder is to make a hook with the fingers of the right hand and pull the front of the pistol grip with the base of the fingers, where they meet the hand. Relax everything else as much as possible. Learning to relax is most of the story of building a position.
Folks, I'm not a top shooter and I'm not qualified as a coach. I'm just a student and a fan who reads everything he can find. As I and many others have posted before, it is vitally important that we know what we should be doing before we start "practicing." Practicing the wrong stuff is just devastating to our progress. It's hard enough to learn the right way without having to unlearn the wrong way. We should all seek out a qualified coach before starting any new sport, I guess. Wish I had done it.
I'm sorry to be so dogmatic but the two suggestions addressed here are, I fear, fundamentally awful techniques.

Gator · Post by **Gator** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:28 am

Kevin

Let me restate my reply now that I have read the question. I overlooked the

genphideaux · Post by **genphideaux** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:54 am

Gator,

A sight we will not want to see, I must now gouge out my eye balls and have a bottle in front of me......no,no.... a frontallabotome....LMAO

Gator · Post by **Gator** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:35 am

Dawg

Glad to see you are up and taking nourishment this fine day.

Don't gouge out your eyes until you see the picture I will be bringing to LA. BTW

kevinpagano · Post by **kevinpagano** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:20 am

Ok so keep support hand relaxed and maybe a little pressure from strong hand, then frontallebotome to ensure we dont mess up our hold and refrain from seeing some weird pictures of Gator. I am getting the picture. I hope not literally Gator. Gator will the picture of you help with my hold or make me run away screaming? hehehehe

Kevin

ajj · Post by **ajj** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:32 am

When I was shooting a muzzle-light rifle some years ago, Troy Lawton was kind enough to give me about a five minute lesson. He told me it was OK to pinch the forend with the fingers of the left hand a little, to combat muzzle jump, but NOT to pull back with it. I started serious reading later.
MOST shooters find some pull back with the right hand to be helpful. The less the better. When the rifle is allowed to just lie against the shoulder the left arm has to start fighting to stabalize the muzzle and the wobble area goes to hell. It is very subtle, just a creeping muscle tension you don't even recognize.
I try first to relax the lower body and shoulders. Then, I pull the rifle gently into the shoulder with the right hand and train so that this is a signal to the left arm to relax against the flab (rib cage to you athletes). Then, I start thinking about aiming.
Prepare a relaxed, stable position first. Then aim. JMHO.

Gator · Post by **Gator** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:58 am

kevinp wrote: Gator will the picture of you help with my hold or make me run away screaming?
Kevin

Kevin
Actually the picture is not about me. Sorry, I can

jneihouse · Post by **jneihouse** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:02 am

Might also add this to the already good advice you have recieved from the folks here. Do some reading on natural point of aim. David Tubb has a good discussion in this book High Power when he talks about building that position for the standing phase of that event. Once you have established what you determine to be your "position" (Here it might be helpful to get a little one on one from am experienced shooter that has the basics correct) build from that foundation, trying only one new thing at a time to see what effect it has on your wobble area. If you mix in more than one change at one time you can't really get a good idea of the consequences of that change. You might also take note on what effect what you eat and drink have on your heart rate, and "nervousness" all which impact your apparent wobble..

genphideaux · Post by **genphideaux** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:15 am

Gator,

Big word for me to, saw it in a picture book on "how to calm down your inner child", looked mostly at the pictures as you can tell by my actions.

Think it has to do with making a grown feller drowel like a baby and quite slapp'in guest on this forum around. I know thats what a bottle in front of me does.

That must me one fine picture you got and got noth'in to do with a love seat rocker does it.

LMAO

Gator · Post by **Gator** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:25 am

It do......

jneihouse · Post by **jneihouse** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:33 am

Gator, I was wondering why that pic hadn't been posted on the net. If memory serves me, it ought to be priceless....Can't wait till Winnsboro....gonna be fun.

duckgumbo · Post by **duckgumbo** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:07 pm

I thought that this post was about support hand pressure. If you Golden Cow Patty wannabees insist on being on this post, we may have to have deductions for Winnie! Dawg, you are slipping ever so slightly as others seem to be gaining. I would bet that Gator learns a lot from Shaver this weekend!

David