CCI STANDARD VEL. AMMO TEST (long post)

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CCI STANDARD VEL. AMMO TEST (long post)

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So there I was again, ready to make a bulk purchase of ammo. As much as I prefer Wolf Match Target and Extra, if you shoot alot, the price of ammo adds up quickly. I found a decent shooting ammo in Aguila Match Rifle (black box), but also had a few issues with a few bricks that left a bad taste in my mouth. I've never put CCI Standard Velocity to a true test and since my local Dick's sporting goods had plenty in stock, I thought I'd give them a go as a possible lower cost paper target practice / silhouette ammo and not having to deal with shipping and handling from a catalog store sounded good.

The CCI SV (Standard Velocity) was priced at $24.99 or $.05 a round which was attractive to me. The ammo had a light to medium waxey lubed coating (not of a greasy type). Compared to other Match or Standard Velocity ammos I had on hand, it appeared to me that the CCI SV had a longer and sleeker nose to it. I broke out 200 rounds and did some weight and rim thickness sorting. There were 4 weight lots and 4 rim thickness lots(technically 4 rim thickness lots, with one lot containing only 1 round, so out of 200 rounds, there were 199 broken into three rim ticknesses). I then shot the weight sorted lots through a chrony to get the most consistant weight lot. NOTE: I didn't run the Rim thickness lots through the chrony. I've found that at distances past 50 yards, the weight sort tends to be more consistant.

The chrony was set out 10 ft from the muzzle, shot through a 20" 1 in 16 twist heavy barreled Savage MKII, laminated free floated stock, 20 moa base and 6-24X optic (set on 14x), Harris bipod and rear bag from a bench. 5 rounds of each weight lot was shot. Air temp was 72 deg F, and humidity was 65%. The barrel was dry swabbed clean before each weight lot switch. 1" circles used at 50 yards, 1.5" at 100 yards.

Weight sort grains / quantity / FPS
RT / quantity (rim thickness for each weight lot listed / quantity)

51.1..../....1..../....1086
RT .039 / 1

50.9..../...105.../....1026 avg 27 dev. (1015 lowest, 1042 highest)
RT .037 / 7, .038 / 53, .039 / 49, .040 / 1.

50.8..../...77..../....1021 avg 28 dev. (1006 lowest, 1034 highest)
RT .037 / 4, .038 / 44, .039 / 29

50.6..../...17..../....1018 avg 45 dev. (991 lowest, 1036 highest)
RT .037 / 2, .038 / 103, .039 / 9

Out of 200 rounds total rim thicknesses were: .037 / 13, .038 / 103, .039 / 83, .040 / 1.

As the highest number of rounds weight sorted was 50.9 and the highest number of rim thickness (.038) were also found in the 50.9 weight lot, I can only assume this is the round that CCI intended to make across the board, or at least on average, what CCI produces most in their SV ammo.

Avg. FPS of all rounds (not including the 1 51.1) was 1022 with a 51 dev. 991 FPS was the lowest (50.6), and 1042 FPS was the highest (50.9). A 1086 FPS was recorded in the 1 round 51.1 weight lot, but again was excluded as it was only 1 in 200 rounds that this happened. This at least goes to show again that usually the higher the weight lot, the higher the FPS.

Compared to 3 other ammos on hand and in present environmental conditions, Wolf MT = 1005 FPS / 20 dev., Aguila Super Std Vel. = 1096 FPS / 42 dev., Agulia Golden Eagle Match Rifle = 1092 FPS / 25 dev.

NOTES: for FPS above and 50 + 100 yard grouping tests below

Residue - somewhat uniform balls in barrel, mostly toward the chamber.
Smell - no distinct smell (such as the Eley primed smell of the other three ammos)
Failure To Extract(FTE) - none, all 200 rounds extracted perfectly.
Failure To Fire (FTF) - none, all 200 rounds extracted perfectly.
Point Of Impact (POI) compared to others - Similiar point of impact to Wolf MT and Aguila GE Match Rifle at 50 and 100 yards, Aguila Super Std Vel had an extremely different POI.

Unfortunately, my first day out after running the ammo through the chrony, the wind picked up substaintially. Too windy and variable for any objective groups. But then I thought which one of these would hold the wind better? So at 50 yards, with the wind varying from 5 to 14 MPH changing from the 2:00 to 4:00 position:

Aguila Super SV = .75"
Wolf MT = 1"
CCI SV = 1.25"
Aguila Match Rifle 1.75"

I only fired when a sustained wind of 10 MPH was achieved at the firing station. Aguila SV was far superior in the wind.

A week later, dead calm conditions made the range call my name, and the name of the CCI SV test. Same equipment was used as stated above, again 72 deg F, but it was 47% humidity, 0 wind, sunny. Barrel dry swabbed before each group was shot. 30 seconds between each shot. As a "true" objective test, I loaded and shot 1 50.9, 1 50.8, 1 50.6, 1 50.8, and 1 more 50.9 of each weight lot into the magazine to ensure a good cross section / mix of weight lots as if plucked out of the box and not sorting them, yet making sure there is a good mix.

Groups were measured outside to outside, and then rated as I have before when comparing ammos:
MG = major grp (excluding flyers)
EG = ext. grp (including flyers)
Flyers and Flyer Ratio = # of flyers per rnds. shot.

As some / most ammos shoot differently in "clean barrels" and "dirty barrels", I did clean and dirty barrel groups.
I came up with rating system a few years ago, and to help compare one ammo to others. The following terminology and formulas seem to work: Clean Barrel Rating "CBR"=MG+EG+# of flyers, then divided by 3. Dirty Barrel Rating (10 shots) "DBR"= MG+EG+flyers divided by 3, Consistency Rating "CR"= MG+EG+flyers of CBR and DBR divided by 6, Value Rating "VR" (bang for the $) adds price per round divided by 7, and overall rating "OAR"=CBR+DBR+CR+VR divided by 4. Also came up with a multi yard rating, avg. performance at both distances. The lower the number, the better rating WHEN COMPARING TO OTHER AMMOS.

Confusing? Bear with me.

[color:#FF0000]50 yards[/color]

CLEAN BARREL
MG: .5"----EG: 1"----- 2 FLYERS, FR: 2/5----CBR: 1.166
DIRTY BARREL
MG: .75"---EG: 1.25"---- 3 FLYERS, FR: 3/10----DBR: 1.666

This shows that CCI SV performs better in a cleaner barrel than dirty at 50 yards, but even with 3 flyers (only a .25" off the main group), still holds a 1.25" group in a dirty one. you can expect an average group under 1.25" or less with a clean or dirty barrel, including flyers.

FLYER RATIO (FR = amount of visible flyers per the 15 rounds shot) 5/15

CONSISTANCY RATING (CR = consistancy of the ammo with dirty and clean barrels) 1.416

VALUE RATING (VR = value of the performance given for price paid / bang for the buck) 1.221

OVERALL RATING (OAR = takes into account clean, dirty barrels, consistancy, and value ratings dived by 4) 1.367


[color:#FF0000]100 yards[/color]

CLEAN BARREL
MG: 1"---- EG: 2.5"---- 1 FLYER FR: 1/5----CBR: 1.5
DIRTY BARREL
MG: 1.5"---- EG: 2" ---- 1 FLYER FR 1/10----DBR: 1.5

This shows that at 100 yards, the ammo is pretty much a dead heat using a clean barrel or dirty, and a low amount of flyers. You can expect an average group of 2.25" or less, not many fliers. But the flyer you'll get will can be expected to kill your group by .75".

FLYER RATIO (FR = amount of visible flyers per the 15 rounds shot) 2/15

CONSISTANCY RATING (CR = consistancy of the ammo with dirty and clean barrels) 1.5

VALUE RATING (VR = value of the performance given for price paid / bang for the buck) 1.293

OVERALL RATING (OAR = takes into account clean, dirty barrels, consistancy, and value ratings dived by 4) 1.448

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[color:#FF0000]MULTI YARD RATING[/color]

MULTI YARD RATING (MYR) - Rates ammo on best avg. performance at 50 and 100 yards using data and results taken. MYR/CBR = CBR of 50+100 divided by 2, MYR/DBR = DBR of 50+100 divided by 2, MYR/CR = CR of 50+100 divided by 2, MYR/VR = VR of 50+100 divided by 2, MYR/OAR = THE MYR'S CBR+DBR+CR+VR divided by 4. Flyer Ratios are also for both ranges, 30 rds total each brand. Also took avg. grps. from 50+100 divided by 2 to give an average group between both ranges. The MYR would be extremely valuable for a silhoutte match where various ranges are shot through the match.

MYR/CBR: 1.333, MYR/DBR: 1.583, MYR/CR: 1.458, MYR/VR: 1.257 MYR/FR: 7/30, MYR grp. 1.88"

MYR/OAR: 1.408

How it stacks against other ammos tested in the same manner / ammo class:

[color:#FF0000]50 YARD RANKINGS[/color]

1. Aguila Golden Eagle Match-1035 fps - avg. grp. .75", c. barrel +.5"MG, +.75"EG, 1/5 FL, d. barrel +.25"MG, +.5"EG, 1/10 FL CBR .75, DBR .58, CR .66, VR .58, FR 2/15 OAR .52 $.06, VERY good results for the price! leaves a clumpy residue, most shots where touching or in each other at 50 yds. slightly more flyers than the wolf, but flyers were not extreme (1/8" to 1/4" away)likes a dirty barrel better than clean.

2. Wolf Match Extra-1024 FPS 14 Dev. - avg. grp -1.25", c. barrel ..75"MG, 1"EG, 0/5 FR d. barrel -.75"MG, -1.25"EG, 1/10 FR
CBR .5, DBR 1, CR .75, VR .67, FR 1/15, OAR .730 $.20, pricey, dirty residue, low # flyers, 1 made it -1.25"

3. Wolf Match Target- 943 FPS 24 Dev. - avg. grp 1", c. barrel -.75MG, 1"EG, 1/5 FR d. barrel -1"MG, -1"EG, 0/10 FR
CBR .91, DBR .6, CR .79, VR .69, FR 1/15, OAR .749 $.14, dirty residue, low # flyers

4. Rem./Eley T Rifle - 1021 FPS 24Dev. - avg. grp -1", c. barrel -.5"MG, -1"EG, 2/5 FR d. barrel -.75"MG, -1"EG 1/10 FR
CBR 1.16, DBR .91, CR 1.04, VR .92, FR 3/15, OAR 1.01 $.20, semi dirty residue, flyers killed it, highly lubricated

5. Rem. Sub Sonic- 947 FPS 46 Dev. - avg. grp 1.25", c. barrel .5"MG, 1"EG, 2/5 FR d. barrel .75"MG, 1.25"EG, 1/10 FR
CBR 1.16, DBR 1, CR 1.08, VR .94, FR 3/15, OAR 1.04 $.08, dirty residue, good groups for price. 38gr h. point

6. Federal G Medal -1059 FPS 18 Dev. - avg. grp 1.5", c. barrel +.5"MG, 1.5"EG, 1/5 FR d. barrel -1"MG, +1"EG, 1/10 FR
CBR 1, DBR 1, CR 1, VR .87, FR 2/15, OAR .968 $.10, clean shooting, nice flyer ratio, a decent neutral ammo, no complaints

7. CCI Green Tag - 988 FPS 31 Dev. - avg. grp -1.5", c. barrel -.75"MG, 1"EG, 1/5 FR d. barrel 1" MG, 1.5"EG, 1/10 FR
CBR .91, DBR 1.16, CR 1.04, VR .91, FR 2/15, OAR 1.07 $.14, semi clean, price held it back compared to above. 2 far out flyers.

8. Rem. Tar. 22 s. vel. - 1086 FPS 66 Dev. - avg. grp 1.5", c. barrel -.75"MG, 1"EG, 2/5 FR d. barrel 1.25"MG, 1.5"EG, 1/10 FR
CBR 1.25, DBR 1.25, CR 1.25, VR 1.08, FR 3/15, OAR 1.20 $.08, clean shooting, not too good out of dirty barrel

9. Winc. S.X. T-22- 1056 FPS 50 Dev. - avg. grp. 1.75", c. barrel -.75"MG, 1.5"EG, 1/5 FR d. barrel -1"MG, 1.75"EG, 2/10 FR
CBR 1.08, DBR 1.5, CR 1.29, VR 1.11, FR 3/15, OAR 1.24 $.06, semi clean, decent economical ammo in c. barrel. Flyers killed grps.

[color:#3366FF]10. CCI Standard Velocity [/color]- 1022 FPS 51 Dev. - avg. grp -1.25", c. barrel .5"MG, 1"EG, 2/5 FR d. barrel .75"MG, 1.25"EG 3/10 FR
CBR 1.12, DBR 1.67, CR 1.42, VR 1.22, FR 5/15, OAR 1.37 $.05, uniform ball residue, shoots somwhat clean, although there are better choices at 50 yards, still a decent shooting ammo for the price, really performs better than others at 100 yards. Although groups are actually smaller than several higher ranked ammos, this ammo does prefer a cleaner barrel and it's DBR is what hurt it - cascading into lowering it's CR, VR, and OAR results and kicking it down the list. It just can't seem to make that transition as the others at 50 yards.


[color:#FF0000]100 YARD RANKING[/color]

1. Wolf Match Target - avg. grp. -1.75", c. barrel 1"MG, 1.25"EG, 1/5 FR d. barrel 1"MG, -1.75"EG, 1/10 FR CBR 1.08, DBR 1.25, CR 1.16, VR 1.02, FR 2/15, OAR 1.19 $.14, just bet the pricier Extra, tight groups, low flyers. Shot almost equally out of d or c barrels. 11.5" drop.

2. Wolf Match Extra - avg. grp. -2", c. barrel 1.25"MG, 1.75"EG, 1/5 FR d. barrel 1.5"MG, -2"EG, 1/10 FR CBR 1.33, DBR 1.5, CR 1.42, VR 1.24, FR 2/15, OAR 1.37 $.20, lost some performance at 100, but still very good. Pricier than #1. 10.75" drop.

3. [color:#3366FF]10. CCI Standard Velocity [/color]- avg. grp 2.25", c. barrel .1"MG, 2.5"EG, 1/5 FR d. barrel 1.5"MG, 2"EG 1/10 FR
CBR 1.5, DBR 1.5, CR 1.5, VR 1.29, FR 2/15, OAR 1.45 $.05, is not the most accurate ammo at 100 yards, and there are actually ammos lower on the list that group tighter. However the price and low count of flyers (predictability) have bumped it up the list according to the OAR @ 100 yards. 8.5" drop.

4. Federal Gold Match - avg. grp. 1.75", c. barrel .75"MG, 1.75"EG, 2/5 FL d. barrel .75"MG, 1.75"EG, 3/10 FR CBR 1.5, DBR 1.83, CR 1.33, VR 1.44, FR 5/15, OAR 1.53 $.10, gained where others slipped, reliable ammo for the price 9.25" drop.

5. Aguila Golden Eagle Match - avg. grp. 1.75", c. barrel 1.75"MG, +1.75"EG, 2/5 FL d. barrel 1.25"MG, 1.5"EG, 1/10 FL CBR 1.83, DBR 1.25, CR 1.54, VR 1.33, FR 3/15, OAR 1.49 $.06, excellent ammo for the price, half or more of wolf and sk, fell just short of wolf / sk and federal on consistancy, but for the price will live with it. Definately the best value rating, and third in OAR. Likes a dirty barrel. Leaves a clumpy residue. 8.3" drop. great practice ammo, not too bad of a match ammo, an all around dual purpose economical ammo.

6. CCI Green Tag - avg. grp. +2.25", c. barrel 1.5"MG, 2"EG, 1/5 FR d. barrel 1.75"MG, +2.25"EG, 3/10 FR CBR 1.5, DBR 2.33, CR 1.92, VR 1.66, FR 4/15, OAR 1.85 $.14, stayed steady to 100yds, 1 or 2 flyers opened the group, pricier than fed. 11" drop.

7. Winc. Sup. X t-22 - avg. grp. +2.25" c. barrel 1.5"MG, 2"EG 2/5 FR d. barrel 1.5"MG, +2.25EG, 3/10 FR CBR 1.58, DBR 2.25, CR 1.92, VR 1.67, FR 4/15, OAR 1.86 $.06, not bad considering $, similar to CCI g.t. at more than half the $. 9" drop.

8. Rem./Eley Targ. Rif. - avg. grp. -2.5" c. barrel 1.5"MG, 2" EG, 2/5 FR d. barrel 1.75"MG, -2.5"EG, 3/10 FR CBR 1.83, DBR 1.81, CR 2.13, VR 1.85, FR 5/15, OAR 1.91 $.20, expected much more for the $, reshot and same results. Heavy lube effecting grps? 10" drop

9. Rem. target 22 - avg. grp +3" c. barrel 1"MG, 3"EG, 1/5 FR d. barrel 1.5"MG, +2.25EG, 3/10 FR CBR 2, DBR 2.75, CR 2.38, VR 2.05, FR 6/15, OAR 2.29 $.08, 10" drop

10. Rem. Sub Sonic- avg. grp ? groups were so erratic and open (over 4.5") no real data could be collected, took it out of 100 yd running. Big surprise as it performed exceptionally well at 50. $.08. reshot, same results.



[color:#FF0000]MULTI YARD RANKING[/color]

1. Wolf MatchTarget-MYR/CBR .995, MYR/DBR .925, MYR/CR .978, MYR/VR ..855, MYR/FR 3/30, MYR/OAR .938, avg. MYR grp -1.5"

2. Wolf Match Extra-MYR/CBR .915, MYR/DBR 1.25, MYR/CR 1.08, MYR/VR ..956, MYR/FR 3/30. MYR/OAR 1.22, avg. MYR grp -1.62"

3. Aguila Golden Eagle Match- MYR/CBR 1.29, MYR/DBR .915, MYR/CR 1.10, MRY/VR .955, MYR/FR 5/30, MYR/OAR 1.00, avg. MYR grp 1.13" (the suprisingly small groups shot at 50 yds and the price of the ammo helped it to reach 3rd in the multi yard rankings. the wolf was a bit more consistant on average at both ranges).

4. Federal G. Match-MYR/CBR 1.25, MYR/DBR 1.42, MYR/CR 1.17, MYR/VR 1.16, MYR/FR 7/30, MYR/OAR 1.25, avg. MYR grp 1.62"

5. Rem/Eley T. Rif.- MYR/CBR 1.5, MYR/DBR 1.36, MYR/CR 1.58, MYR/VR ..925, MYR/FR 8/30, MYR/OAR 1.34, avg. MYR grp -2"

[color:#3333FF]6. CCI Standard Velocity [/color]- MYR/CBR 1.33, MYR/DBR 1.58, MYR/CR 1.46, MYR/VR 1.257, MYR/FR 7/30, MYR/OAR 1.408 avg. MYR grp 1.88"

7. CCI Green Tag- MYR/CBR 1.21, MYR/DBR 1.75, MYR/CR 1.48, MYR/VR 1.29, MYR/FR 6/30, MYR/OAR 1.43, avg. MYR grp +1.88"

8. Winc. S.X.T-22-MYR/CBR 1.33, MYR/DBR 1.88, MYR/CR 1.60, MYR/VR 1.39, MYR/FR 7/30, MYR/OAR 1.55, avg. MYR grp +2"

9. Rem. Target- MYR/CBR 1.63, MYR/DBR 2, MYR/CR 1.81, MYR/VR 1.56, MYR/FR 9/30, MYR/OAR 1.75, avg. MYR grp +2.25

10. Rem. Sub Sonic- open and erratic groups at 100 (over 4.5") could not be measured accurately or consistently.


SIDE NOTE:
Unexpectantly, the CCI SV was also shot through a MKII f (sporter barrel) and seemed to perform as well as the Wolf MT, Aguila Super SV, and Aguila Match Rifle. The consistancy of the CCI SV just didn't give up as much compared to the other three in the "pencil" barrel and was very similiar to how it performed out of the heavy barrel.

All in all, at 50 yards there are many better choices, but as the distance increases, the CCI SV tends to give up less, can actually "run" with ammos twice / three times the price the further out you shoot. It appears to be a good ammo for silhouette competition where 1" at 100 yards can be replace by "Minute of Ram" and is a releatively inexpensive ammo to use as a practice round, with a similiar POI as Wolf MT. What the CCI SV lost at 50 yards, it gained back at 100 yards, and when shooting multi distances stands in the middle - a very neutral ammo at a fairly inexpensive price.
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Very thorough testing of CCI SV ammo thanks for posting your results. I have been shooting it for awhile now myself due to cost as you mentioned and I really can not complain all that much about it when compared to SK+ I use at bigger matches. The CCI has performed well for me with the occasional round where you just feel it was a bit light or hot in powder but honestly I can't blame the ammo for the misses.

I haven't done much bench testing of the ammo but it has produced groups around an inch at 100m for me in my 1712 shooting off my gun caddy for a rest. The wind drift seems a bit more when compared to SK+ but that is minimal as they can both get pushed good in the wind.

When you can shoot at your house finding cheap ammo that is still good enough to be worthwhile is a trick but CCI SV fills that bill well and for the money is hard to beat. I have shot 31's and a 32 using it at local matches.

Here is a 1712 group of 10 shots at 50y in near dead calm conditions but again using a makeshift bench this time out of a stack of books and a sleeping bag rear rest :lol:

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I use it. When I shot Bulleye pistol, CCI SV was standard issue, so I guess It just carried over to my Sil. shooting. Plus I had about 10 cases back when it was $130 per. My Lilja eats it up, and without giving out too much info on my fighter, Baby Huey was hitting turkeys with it yesterday like he knew what he was doing.
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Walt... It's obvious you have FAR to much free time on your hands =))

As a side note yesterday I was at the range and at 100M I was actually getting better groups with SK+ then I was with the Rifle Match, just the opposite you would expect. Just a little breezy at the 100M line but by eye about a 1.5" group average.
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I appreciate the report too. When I bought my new 452 American last February and still doing indoor paper, I purchased CCI SV as read can work well. This past Spring we went outdoors and I sighted in at 100m for true test. 1.25 inch groups were good for me. The other day with no wind, 88 degrees, 90% humidity off SB, b/4 match, eye balled and seemed around 1 inch groups at 100m. Close enough. Due to price and my abilities, CCI SV works well. Accuracy is still there after 2000 rds. I will be trying Aquila that a couple of our members use to see if any better before end of August. Again, thank you for your report using your Savage. I have yet to test the CCI in my granddaughters Savage Youth rifle for accuracy testing at 40 meters. All I have done is sight in on the Chicken swinger and 9 year old has no difficulties. Pig too, off SB. Her Savage has my old 6.5-20 scope. CCI Std is good.
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As I posted in this forum a while back, I bought some CCI Std. Vel. ammo and shot 10-shot groups with it, out of my Remington 40X and my Sako Finnfire rifle.

Since my line of work requires me to be pragmatic and arrive at effective, economic solutions to problems and had no time to sort bullets by weight and I never bother sorting by rim thickness, I decided to shoot the rounds right out of the box, at random. Also, since I did not have my chrony with me, I simply set up dot targets at 100 meters and shot the 40X first. The five 10-shot groups fired were under clam wind conditions and from a prone position, using front and rear sandbags to steady my position as best as I could. Of the five groups shot, the smallest went 7/8" extreme distance (vertical and horizonatal), while the last group went 1" vertical and 1/1/2" horizonal, explained by the wind picking up some speed an fishtailing a little.

I repeated the same process with my Finnfire and the groups were larger, because the wind had gotten stronger. The extreme horizontal spreads went from 1-1/2" to 2", but the vertical stringing stayed between 1" and 1-1/4 inches. This quick test told me the following:
a) My rifles like CCI Std. Vel. (this was more of a confirmation, since my rifles have shot well with the stuff over the years).
b) At $25 per brick ,it shot equal to, or better than ammo costing 3 to 5 times as much (the only ammos that have definitively shot tighter groups with my rifles are Federal 900 and 900B, Lapua Midas M and Eley Tenex EPS) and is a better value than some other "better" brands.
c) My 40X shoots CCI Std. Vel. and Wolf Std. Target to the same level of precision, but below the really expensive ammo like Lapua Midas or Eley Tenex.
d) My Finnfire shoots slightly tighter groups with SK Std. than with CCI SV or Wolf Std. Target.

Lone Ringer once told me that good ammo will consistently shoot well in many rifles, while the cheaper grades will be erratic, shooting well in some and horribly in others. I would say, based on the comments posted in this thread and my own observations, that CCI, SK and Wolf Std. Ammo are good quality brands an possibly the best values for the money in good quality ammo for silhouette shooting.
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I shot CCI green and blue in tests many years ago and didn't like the results. The cheeper blue gave better groups than the green. It sounds like they have improved the quality since then.
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I am new to this forum. Lots of very good info on this post. I has a new experience with CCI ammo. Specificly CCI Sub Sonic HP---In a CZ 452 and an M64 Anschutz - the rims are too thick. I could not close the bolt on either rifle.
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COLT45 wrote:I am new to this forum. Lots of very good info on this post. I has a new experience with CCI ammo. Specificly CCI Sub Sonic HP---In a CZ 452 and an M64 Anschutz - the rims are too thick. I could not close the bolt on either rifle.
Colt 45, it has been my experience with CCI mini group or target standard velocity that ammo is over sized and will chamber very hard on some target rifles with tight chambers. If you want to find out if the problem is due to rims too thick all you have to do is carefully using pliers remove the slug and powder from a round or two and see if the bolt of either rifle will close when the empty brass is inserted into the chamber. My guess is that they will.
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Re: CCI STANDARD VEL. AMMO TEST (long post)

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It's not the rims that are too thick, it is the major OD of the bullet engaging your chamber's leade angle before you can close the bolt. Your case rims will easily fit within the recess of the bolt.
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Hey Top Predator and Teeter Totter..dbp1stltartilllery is here now as 1stlttightwad..I am going to get back into silhouette after a 25 year leave. Soon as I learn how to get my motto emblem on here I will do it. To all at steel chickens I love silhouette and hope to learn many things that have improved our sport in my absence. Ain't it great to shoot well while standing on your own two legs with no artificial support. Before my MIA from silhoutte I shot AAA in rifle and pistol, all disciplines, and was one match short of Master classification 38 out of 40 in small bore hunter pistol. I am truly glad to be among a band of brothers. Dave...Deo Vindice
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Re: CCI STANDARD VEL. AMMO TEST (long post)

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......tightwad, welcome back to our sport! So, you must be 28? I just bought another case of CCI SV early this month for my 452 American. It happens to be of the same lot# as before! It was 75F the past few days with normal at this time of 45F. Spring has arrived! I decided to sight-in my 3 month old Sightron 6-24SIL, due to our gorgeous weather. When I got to 100 meters, there was a slight breeze coming across through a tree opening from 60 to 77 meters from the right. I did not spend much time. My groupings were still within a 1.25 dia circle. but left of target off sandbags. I called it a day. I use a 6 inch metal pocket ruler. For sure, I will get around to testing Aguila Super Extra SV......... one of these days. The two boxes keep staring me in the face every time I open up my bag. I do love my Sightron SIL scope with small dot.

Just a note, a fellow in the northern part of our WI State, and posted on the CZUSA website a year ago, claimed he was getting .75 inch groups or better with Remington Cyclone in his new CZ 452 American. 1280fps. He did not test any match grade ammo, just cheap stuff. I found it interesting. I just happened to recall and has stuck with me. I cannot recall if BR or SB.
Just my rambling.
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