Your hunting rifle a now a "sniper" rifle

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Your hunting rifle a now a "sniper" rifle

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Here is a letter written by our friend Sarah Brady:

Monday, February 19, 2007

The tragic proliferation of Sniper Rifles

I would like to take a moment to comment on the proliferation of Sniper Rifles.
Sniper Rifles are typically equipped with a high-powered scope, and every single one of them can blow through the body armor cops wear. They can even penetrate multiple police cars. Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles? The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction. Some of these Sniper Rifles can even penetrate ballistic or armored glass, lightly armored vehicles, and armored limousines. Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to solve this with an important bill that would have banned armor piercing ammunition and protected lawful firearm commerce:

"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.....

..It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.."

Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree.

Sniper Rifles can be equipped with precision optics above even what the Military uses, allowing a sniper to deliver rounds within millimeters of accuracy - enabling them to engage targets at distances of well over one hundred meters. Is there a pressing need to be able to kill with accuracy at that distance? It is too far to justify as self defense. It is too far for hunting. It is only useful for those who wish to murder from afar.

Large caliber Sniper Rifles such as the .50 Browning Machine Gun can derail freight cars, shoot down aircraft and helicopters, damage vital ground equipment such as power substations, fuel tanks, and air traffic control, and cause complete chaos. For more information on why large caliber machine-gun rounds must be banned, visit http://www.50caliberterror.com. A shipment of large caliber machine-gun round sniper rifles made by Steyr turned up in Iran, and are being used on our own soldiers, as the .50 bullets easily defeat their body armor, their up-armored humvees, and even APCs.

Many forward thinking, progressive politicians such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama have voted against Center-Fire Rifle Ammunition of types for Sniper Rifles, but due to the pressure and massive financial resources of the gun industry, the necessary steps to protect our homes and lives have not been attained.

Sniper Rifles have been used by murderers and spree killers for years, with notable incidents such as the Beltway Snipers, the Clocktower Sniper, and more.

ANY rifle configured and equipped as a sniper rifle has no sporting purpose especially as a hunting rifle. They are too big and heavy to take to the field. Designed for distance shooting, they are useless for the ranges at which game animals are normally shot, and when used on sporting sized game at range they often just wound the animal, inhumanely forcing it to die slowly while the would-be hunter tracks it to finish it off. Most Sniper Rifles fire atypically large cartridges and ultra high velocity ammunition that can travel much greater distances that standard ammunition. The danger imposed from missed shots and ricochetes from these specialty rounds is unreasonable.

Most of these rifles carry multiple rounds, with either an automatic mechanism, or a quick toggle action to rapidly move another bullet into the breech, ready to fire into another victim. In most states, they are nearly unrestricted. Anyone over the age of 18 can buy one. If they can't pass a background check, they skirt the NCIS system by going to a gunshow, or finding a private sale in the newspaper. A murderer camped at a distance from a public gathering could quickly turn it into a massacre dwarfing anything we have seen before in the United States, if they had a Sniper Rifle. If they adopted hit and run tactics, entire portions of our country could be shut down.

Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal. They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending your house.

We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them.

Every state in the USA has hunting equipment rules that limit the caliber of firearm used to take game. They also limit the types of rifles, length, magazine capacity, etc. States should amend these hunting regulations to restrict the use of "sniper" rifles, specialty "sniper" cartridges, and "sniper" ammunition. Limits on weight, barrel length, bipods and tripods, thumbhole stocks and pistol grips, night vision type scopes, scopes of excessive magnification, super magnum and high velocity ammunition, and military slings should be imposed. They have no place in the hunting fields of America and hunting usage should not be used as an argument for civilians to own such firearms and weapons. There are more than ample hunting rifles, cartridges, and rounds of ammunition to choose from without them.

Let us hope that in a safer, saner America, we will succeed in our efforts to restrict the deadly spread of long distance murder rifles.
George

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Where did this letter appear?

Wow, what a good read chalked full of well researched information.

The sad truth is that if the antis actually knew what they were talking about they would have more power than they actually do now.

.50s derailing a rail car, HUH?

That God Damned .30-30, curse you. Sure it could pentrate a 600 pound safe if the door was left open.

Don't need to shoot at animals over 100 meters, WTF?

A toggle switch to quickly reload?

Distances of over 100 meters are considered long shots, OMG!

Good thing they (antis) do not know that the five shot light gun IBS record is just over 1.5 inches for five shots at 1000 yards.

And all the other factual statements in this letter.

This is going to get some mileage on the interweb
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At this rate, we'll all be shopping for pellet guns - provided they leave us that much? It's interesting that most of the Democrats elected last fall are pro-gun, or at least (I hope) avoiding gun control like the plague.
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I thought north of the 49th we had the monopoly on ill-informed,brash,
unthinking,inflammatory,over-emotional lobbyists and politicians.
Sarah Brady has obviously never visited Camp Perry,or the
Whittington Centre or is she even aware of the Olympic medals and
national pride that has been promoted and encouraged through all
organized shooting sports.
This woman has got her head so far up her a%# that she can only spew
verbal diarrhea.
Say goodnight Gracy

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If Sarah Brady is going to use examples from recent history one would expect that the best examples be used. If it hadn't been for a small handful of civilians armed with their hunting rifles and who were deputised on site,Charles Whitman , the clock tower sniper, would have claimed even more victims at the Texas State Univ. This example is even used by the police and military of the advantages of a well armed populace and provided justification for many municipal and regional well armed response teams.
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Does anyone know if this letter is legit?

I have read the letter a couple of times and wonder how someone with as much political influence (negative) can be so wrong on so many points. Its like if I were to walk into a hospital and tell a heart surgeon how to do his or her job; I watch House and ER I know what is going on.
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I wonder if it is legit too. Now is the time that everyone stand together. Do not vote for the person you must vote on party lines in almost all cases to stop this nonsense. If you think your voting for a moderate Democrat then your mistaken they will succumb to party pressure just like most moderate Republicans will. This is why party line voting is so imperative to our Second Amendment Rights.

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It appeared on the Brady Campaign page on myspace. Myspace apparantly provides a page to the Brady Campaign so they can properly indoctrinate all the kids who hang out there. :(

Here's the linkie: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 9ed16eba5c

There's another one in there somewhere calling for a ban on all .22 rimfires.
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Here's the one on the .22's..Enjoy!!! :?

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... abc5ad0d51
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Comment's posted by "The Brady Campaign" towards a poster replying on their blog congratulating a young lady on her pro-gun opinion like:

"That is disturbing. Her profile is listed as sixteen and you look like a child molester. Sorry, our blog comments are not a singles pick-up area."

pretty clearly tells me what kind of people these Brady's are. Unjustifiably accusing someone of being a pedifile is about as low as it gets.
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Re: Your hunting rifle a now a "sniper" rifle

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Travelor wrote:and military slings
I was all ready to capitulate until I saw the sling restriction....I just won't stand for a ban on my cheap a$$ nylon sling..I could take over the world with it in a single bound. :lol:
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I went to the Brady Campaign web site and find no letter on sniper rifles. The style of the letter does not match news releases on that site. In fact, the absurd content of the letter suggests that it is a hoax.

Enjoyable as it is to laugh at the irrational, gun-phobic, Luddites, I don't think that this letter is real. Entertaining but not real. For a less entertaining, more hysteric rant go to bradycampaign.org. They're not just waving the bloody shirt, they're waving the victims!

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The funny part about if its real or not is that we even ask

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What does that say about all the years full of misinformation the antis have put out when we are not even sure. Do not most all their publishings include propaganda that contains untruths and infactual data. Do they not always embelish and misconstrue the facts? Its the very fact that they do these things that makes the letter all the more believable to everyone.

Remember a good anti gunning liberal never let the TRUTH or FACTS get in the way of their over zealous policy change demands. Regardless of how often it is shown to the contrary of their thinking.

I loved the part saying how our all knowing politicians are at risk from such weapons. Then the list of all our favorite politicians who are all protected by the same guns they don't want you to have to protect yourself. Perhaps if they were not crooked and corrupt lying basturds they might not have as much to fear. But to pander to them as if they are a prime target for "sniper," weapons only goes to their ego in that they know they feel above the little folks and shoul dnever have to worry about their fate in such ways.
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This is getting old. Sniper rifles and handguns are their topics of mass gore and fear. How soon before we ban steak knives and sling shots. Heaven forbid they find out that we have 22's that can put you down at that elusive 100 meter range too. S%#@ if they read this that just lost the rimfires for us. Time to move on to their soon to be future topic...The Christmas story....ban the Red Ryders...they can put out a "elected official's" eye. SHEESH!
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